SaleHoo

SC 20/08/2006 13:22

Where: Alibaba(Trading Website) Listing
Who: Bdi Technologies
Payment: PayPal
How Much: $865.00 USD
What: PSPs
Scammers e-mail: ** Link Removed: Only Available to Registered Members**
Scammers Fake Name: John Mendesa

This sucks. Can't believe I actually got scammed. I'm usually pretty good with these things. They accepted PayPal! What the hell! DON'T LISTEN TO ANYONE THAT SAYS PAYPAL IS SAFE FOR PAYMENTS OUTSIDE OF EBAY
I filed a dispute with PayPal, and it was decided in my favor, but they said they couldn't get anything from the seller's account!

This was there response...
"We have completed our investigation of this case. We attempted to process a refund from the seller's account to your account. Unfortunately, the seller's account does not contain the funds necessary to cover this refund. We were able to recover $0.00 USD. We have taken action against the seller and are working to recover the remainder of your refund. We will contact you when we have more information. No further action is required of you at this time."
This scammer will obviously never make a deposit in his FAKE account.

I thought PayPal would be able to withdraw the funds from the seller's bank account. That's not the case; the seller has to have money in his/her PayPal account to be able to receive anything.
Anyone can be scammed by PayPal, all they have to do is open an account, scam someone, get the funds transferred to their bank account, then close the account.

Has anyone been through this situation?
What should I do now?
Is there a website that handles cases like this that can get my money back?

I want to get his ip address...

**Jennifer77** 21/08/2006 01:37

awww man that sucks......isnt there a way for pay pal to find his bank account. I meanw hen i signed up for my pay pal i have to give bannk info.

There has to be a way for Pay Palt o find this out. Did you try calling pay pal instead of havinf emails sent back and forth.

**thomasjm99** 21/08/2006 15:03

Make sure PayPal stays on the invesitigation, do not just let it slide. It may take some time to get your money back but they should be able to do so. Just keep complaining, call them every other day. Ask to speak with managers etc... Getting your money back 6 weeks from now is better than not at all...

**mslilly** 23/08/2006 01:01

Wow, I didn't know this! New to me!!!!

Makes me only want to use my credit card!!!

Good luck!

**Dreamer148** 23/08/2006 04:44

wow thats horrible. I kept thinking PayPal was safe. Did you get the "money back guarantee" thing on that transaction?

SC 24/08/2006 04:57

there is no money back guarantees from paypal if the transaction is outside of ebay

-RB!

**salehoo** 24/08/2006 07:32

Did you pay with funds from your Paypal account or from a credit card? If you used your credit card to fund the transaction contact your CC compnay immediately and complete a chargeback!

You have 60 days to do this usually from when the money was taken out.

Let us know.

**mana2006** 24/08/2006 16:07

There is one method in the USA that can help. They do have a lot of internet complaints about fraud and scams and can rarely do anything. But for your own protection it is best to submit the info and file a claim. Its a goverment website that works with local law enforcement agencies and the FBI.

** Link Removed: Only Available to Registered Members**

**mana2006** 24/08/2006 16:20

I sent the company a message and I will get a possible IP address for you if they respond to my email.

SC 25/08/2006 14:55

salehoo wrote:Did you pay with funds from your Paypal account or from a credit card? If you used your credit card to fund the transaction contact your CC compnay immediately and complete a chargeback!

You have 60 days to do this usually from when the money was taken out.

Let us know.

Funds were from my PayPal account. Plus, I contacted my cc company before about making cc payments to companies that end up being fraud. This was there response...

We would like to inform that any transaction, regardless how they are made, that is online or in store, require that you provide your RBC Visa card number and your expiry date. They constitute an agreement between you and the merchant you are dealing with. As a result, should this transaction be fraudulent and you would have paid willingly for either, a good or a service, the amount spent would not be refunded. Therefore, we advise you to be very careful about making online transactions before making them. RBC Royal Bank Visa cannot be held accountable of the use you are doing of your RBC Visa.

So, I don't see how a chargeback would work

SC 25/08/2006 14:59

mana2006 wrote:I sent the company a message and I will get a possible IP address for you if they respond to my email.

Thanks, I appreciate your help

Yea, I've contacted ** Link Removed: Only Available to Registered Members** before for a non-related issue regarding a site, and they never got back to me

It seems like the only way to have them investigate something, is if they get a bunch of complaints of a certain individual/site

**mana2006** 25/08/2006 17:33

I sent an email and all they did was read it. There is a 40% chance that the user is in New York. I didn't get an IP or anything because they never sent me a message in return. Guess this person has made these types of transactions before and sorta knows what they are doing. Sorry I couldn't do more. I used readnotify.com for the tracking service.

**ErseErseInc** 27/08/2006 04:43

This happens all the time with paypal. Seller opens up an account, keeps it on the low for some time, then starts making huge transactions, doesn't withdraw funds right away because then paypal stops them, wait for a huge sum, does one large dump to his bank account and bails with the cash. People that's why I say....AMEX NEVER LEAVE HOME, OR YOUR COMPUTER WITHOUT IT!

SC 29/08/2006 21:20

If I only knew about the real PayPal.
Salehoo shouldn't be advertising it as safe, which is clearly not the case.

SC 30/08/2006 02:14

mana2006 wrote:I sent an email and all they did was read it. There is a 40% chance that the user is in New York. I didn't get an IP or anything because they never sent me a message in return. Guess this person has made these types of transactions before and sorta knows what they are doing. Sorry I couldn't do more. I used readnotify.com for the tracking service.

How do you know that theres a 40% chance that this user is from NY? What else did the service say?

Thanks.

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