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Avoid these suppliers at all costs!

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28 Sep 08 07:54:13 am
Hello Fellow Salehoo members,

It has come to my attention that there are a few 5 star rated suppliers that are not reliable at all..... and practically they're NOT even suppliers.

If you've searched around in salehoo directory for awhile, you'd notice that at least 5-10 websites look the same with same products, same layout and same DESCRIPTIONS.

Their description is always:
- We are located at Dallas TX
- FREE resellers program tools
- No Dropshipping fee
- and they always have a tiny corner saying enterprise program- join now


Why do they look the same? BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME! A source company starts an enterprise program and allows normal people to join it and relist their items with marked up price. All purchases through them at the marked up price will be processed by the *source company* and the 'fake wholesaler' gets the marked up profit. Moreover, some of them are NOT even from Texas.

This doesn't mean they won't ship anything to you but it only means that they are not wholesalers but 'MIDDLE-MEN' with NO stock or WAREHOUSE. NOTHING!! Just a domain. AND YOU'LL BE PAYING MORE! Once you buy from them the orders get processed from the source company and gets shipped FROM the source company.

If you've been dealing with them. You'd probably spent up to 20% more than the original wholesale price from the source company. Why buy from them when you can buy from the direct source? I've checked Link hidden: Login to view and they have the exact identical items yet it's 20% cheaper.

Here's 2 unethical unreliable examples for you to view... I'd consider this as a scam.
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THEY LOOK THE SAME. OMG!!!
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Price list for stockmylist.... different and more expensive pricing than CKB.
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CKB products.... 10 % CHEAPER..... at this point anyone who dealt with the previous 2 would feel punked.
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the first 2 imageshack links were images but couldn't fit so i put them as links. The others were also bigger but I guess it'll do. Click on the links to view the full screenshot

If you've checked it.... did you realize they look 90% the same (10% goes to colours and ads)?

There are plenty more out there in the directory... continously fooling people with their 5 star ratings which came from blur lack of research members.

They should be removed from the directory. Let's hunt them down one by one. I've spotted 2. But there must be more.

Cheers. Save yourself from this scam.

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28 Sep 08 09:16:11 am
Part rebel, part detective......dangerous combination you got going there Piano...lol

You really have been doing your homework by the sounds of that, and while what you have found is interesting, unfortunately it's a part of too many drop shipping set-ups. It's a big reason why most people can't make any margin, all these other people have positioned themselves in the cue ahead of you.

You're spot on, it certainly does pay to do your research with drop shipping, just as it does to source from any other avenue.


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1 Oct 08 05:36:53 am
I agree that they are middle men but I dont know if I would say they are scammers? I personally have not used any of these sites and never will how did they get a 5 star rating ?Who rates these people ? is it verified by anyone?I thought the listings were 'verified' That is what it says on the homepage.Could the sites be members sites? I consider a scammer someone who cheats me out of my money and as long as they provide the service I dont think they are a scammer I would definately say they are middlemen but that does not mean they are bad people how do we know for sure cbk is the main supplier maybe some one else sales it for cheaper.I dont really know where to point blame on this one folks Salehoo has let these people in and I trust they know what is going on around here I kind of have mixed feelings on this one I am glad this has been pointed out I wander how many more sites are on here like this one? I always assumed the sites listed here were 'verified' and surely someone could not have messed up this bad so it was either purposely done or added by a member but they should have been checked.

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3 Oct 08 12:59:51 am
I agree that they are middle men but I dont know if I would say they are scammers? I personally have not used any of these sites and never will how did they get a 5 star rating ?Who rates these people ? is it verified by anyone?I thought the listings were 'verified' That is what it says on the homepage.Could the sites be members sites? I consider a scammer someone who cheats me out of my money and as long as they provide the service I dont think they are a scammer I would definately say they are middlemen but that does not mean they are bad people how do we know for sure cbk is the main supplier maybe some one else sales it for cheaper.I dont really know where to point blame on this one folks Salehoo has let these people in and I trust they know what is going on around here I kind of have mixed feelings on this one I am glad this has been pointed out I wander how many more sites are on here like this one? I always assumed the sites listed here were 'verified' and surely someone could not have messed up this bad so it was either purposely done or added by a member but they should have been checked.


Yea, I guess I might have stepped over the line by saying scammer.
Yea, Definitely they are middlemen.
They are also verified.This is because the source company makes people pay 99.95 USD to join their program and the company will supply them with a website and all the templates, security, verification and products will be given by the source company. So all the middleman has to do is pay 99.95 and 8.95 for domain then he/she has a whole new website which would look just like the others. You can even choose to mark up the price by percentage anyhow you like and they will automatically change all the price according to your mark up.

This enterprise program means ANYONE can join, inexperienced or experienced.

And yes, I myself aren't sure CKB products is the cheapest. But so far it is cheaper than those 2.

Simple Distributors is cheaper than CKB products but they don't dropship internationally... so I didn't compare with Simple Distributors. The 2 middlemen dropship internationally too.

CKB is definitely not the source because the middlemen sells HDMI electronics and MP3/MP4 players too while CKB does not. Neither does Simple Distributors. I'm on the hunt for the source company for business but so far I just kept running into other websites belonging to middlemen.

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3 Oct 08 12:07:35 pm
I found that a supplier on salehoo that sells golf supplies is an actual store versus being a supplier. Look @ golfjoy.com vs a well known online/offline retail store like golfsmith.com. Take a look at for example the taylormade burner driver. They're the exact same price.

Not necessarily a scam but more like a false advertisement. There are real sources for suppliers(not necessarily for golf) in salehoo but its like finding a needle in a haystack. All these non-supplier companies make the salehoo dir. less of a credible resource when I see things like the above. I wish there was a better system in place to check into these 'supplier' companies before adding them into the salehoo directory.

If i wanted to buy golf clubs at a discount rate(for personal use) - its only a 'google' away. But if I want to source them(for re-sale), that's a whole different story - think ipods, designer items, electronics - same deal with golf supplies. It's not exactly a click away.

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3 Oct 08 02:47:23 pm
I'm quite frustrated right now.

I left negative feedback for both suppliers in the salehoo directory but hasn't appeared yet.... presumably rejected by moderator. Therefore, it STILL has 5 star rating. We need more people to try and give 1 star continuosly.

I gave it 1 star rating with negative feedback... why hasn't it appeared???? It's been almost a week and the feedback hasn't appeared on the directory. Did they or did they not reject it? The 2 suppliers really don't deserve an 'ill-researched' 5 star rating. I don't get it!!! EXPLAIN!!!! The ratings could have even come from salehoo members who joined the enterprise program and rate themselves in the directory. *panting*. I'm trying to help members of salehoo and my feedback is presumably rejected. Thanks a bunch.

Anyhooo, Cheers!!

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3 Oct 08 03:39:50 pm
i did the same thing only to find my rating didn't appear as well. there should be some type of self-moderation where users can approve/disapprove of comments that may prove to be blatantly attacking the company out of spite or genuinely stated to be more of a caveat emptor. Salehoo still has a few kinks which hopefully will get fixed soon.

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3 Oct 08 08:23:27 pm
I think there are some very valid points being raised in this thread, and while these suppliers may be genuine, they should not be listed under directories such as wholesale when they are nothing more than discount retailers, or even worse....full retail!

Members are joining here to not only find genuine suppliers selling genuine articles , but also expect the suppliers to be what they are listed as. At the moment it seems that everyone is being let down all round.

You shouldn't have retail prices in a wholesale category, you shouldn't have suppliers selling fakes listed under any of these categories. Sure there is a market for people wanting to buy fakes, but why on earth aren't these suppliers in their own category, or are at least flagged to let members know what they are dealing with.

Seems that someone is asleep in the wheel house when this type of situation is happening. I believe that it is incumbent on Salehoo to ensure a better checking process to ensure the suppliers listed under the set categories fit specific trading criteria to offer members complete clarity.

One other thing I have to say is that I hate the way most of the marketing seems to focus around finding suppliers for ebay, when the truth is that is like finding a needle in a hay stack on here, perhaps possible, but no easier than researching the net yourself in my opinion. I know it's all about marketing, but come on guys......I think the time might be right to start cleaning up some areas including the suppliers directories to give members clarity to make an informed decision on purchasing.

Members are paying for information, factual information, not cheap gimicks like that useless Product Researching Tool, I call it the 75% tool. Seriously, that type of thing is something anyone can offer, but it doesn't provide members with value. Providing real factual supplier information is what will deliver value, and is what members have a right to expect.

Big chance here to make the Salehoo community a guiding light on the net, please don't waste that opportunity and let it become just another money making excerise that doesn't deliver what it promises.

It's fine for members to take a personal interest and defend Salehoo when they feel that it is under attack for misguided reasons, but Salehoo itself has to step up to the plate and make sure we as members have something to defend!

Ok, maybe I got out of the wrong side of bed this morning, but seriously........everyone knows there are areas that need some serious work here, the question is, is Salehoo ready to do that work to provide its community with something truly valuable for their membership fees?


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4 Oct 08 12:56:32 am
It would be nice even to list suppliers that are with BBB. Or even add new suppliers once or twice a year or six months. Just my thoughts.

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4 Oct 08 04:04:10 am
It would be nice even to list suppliers that are with BBB. Or even add new suppliers once or twice a year or six months. Just my thoughts.

I AGREE I havent seen an update since I have been a member and doesnt the homepage say it is updated daily ha

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4 Oct 08 05:07:18 am
I AGREE I havent seen an update since I have been a member and doesnt the homepage say it is updated daily ha



HAHA yea!! I think almost 90% of salehoo members depend too much on 5 star ratings that they did not check out other non-rated ones yet. Everyone is getting from the same companies that got the 5 stars and the other non-rated yet just get left out in the final pages while they have the potential of being a good supplier.

I think it's time we should not trust the rating (which 70% rated with lack of research and first look rating) but conduct our own research on different suppliers. That way we can add more REALL genuine 5 star suppliers on the directory. Almost everyone deal with those listed as 5 star on the directory only. If this continues we'd have a few hundred people listing the same thing on their auction sites in the near future when more people join salehoo.

This may sound offensive but somehow I have a feeling that some featured suppliers are featured not because they are reliable, cheap and good in quality but because they paid to be featured. I wouldn't say it's wrong, but just that it has to be the best to be featured.

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4 Oct 08 04:43:39 pm
I think there are some very valid points being raised in this thread, and while these suppliers may be genuine, they should not be listed under directories such as wholesale when they are nothing more than discount retailers, or even worse....full retail!

Members are joining here to not only find genuine suppliers selling genuine articles , but also expect the suppliers to be what they are listed as. At the moment it seems that everyone is being let down all round.

You shouldn't have retail prices in a wholesale category, you shouldn't have suppliers selling fakes listed under any of these categories. Sure there is a market for people wanting to buy fakes, but why on earth aren't these suppliers in their own category, or are at least flagged to let members know what they are dealing with.

Seems that someone is asleep in the wheel house when this type of situation is happening. I believe that it is incumbent on Salehoo to ensure a better checking process to ensure the suppliers listed under the set categories fit specific trading criteria to offer members complete clarity.

One other thing I have to say is that I hate the way most of the marketing seems to focus around finding suppliers for ebay, when the truth is that is like finding a needle in a hay stack on here, perhaps possible, but no easier than researching the net yourself in my opinion. I know it's all about marketing, but come on guys......I think the time might be right to start cleaning up some areas including the suppliers directories to give members clarity to make an informed decision on purchasing.

Members are paying for information, factual information, not cheap gimicks like that useless Product Researching Tool, I call it the 75% tool. Seriously, that type of thing is something anyone can offer, but it doesn't provide members with value. Providing real factual supplier information is what will deliver value, and is what members have a right to expect.

Big chance here to make the Salehoo community a guiding light on the net, please don't waste that opportunity and let it become just another money making excerise that doesn't deliver what it promises.

It's fine for members to take a personal interest and defend Salehoo when they feel that it is under attack for misguided reasons, but Salehoo itself has to step up to the plate and make sure we as members have something to defend!

Ok, maybe I got out of the wrong side of bed this morning, but seriously........everyone knows there are areas that need some serious work here, the question is, is Salehoo ready to do that work to provide its community with something truly valuable for their membership fees?


Very well put fudjj. It's also disheartening to see so many members here on salehoo and the level of inactivity in the forums. I've seen a lot smaller forums with a greater number of people participating.

I'm not sure if the owner(s) of salehoo would be down for an overhaul of the site. I mean I've found information around this site, in the blogs and forums that could easily be re-packed into an ebook and resold for the price of membership. If they weeded out the 'illegitimate' suppliers there might only be a few dozen left in their directory.

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4 Oct 08 09:52:58 pm
Good point about the inactivity of some members in the forum, I must admit I have always found that a little unusual, but am no longer surprised by it. I remember when we launched the first Salehoo investors group. We used Skype to network with each other and keep our fingers on the pulse, and out of about 30 odd investors, there was only about 15 people who even bothered to be a part of it, we never did hear from the others.

Remembering of course that those people even had cash invested and they wouldn't participate.....lol

In think the main reason is that forums are platforms for people with a shared interest, so everyone usually likes to get in amongst it. Here, while we have a shared interest, most seem to be just wanting information, and if they can find that information without having to post in the forum then they are happy to do that and stay on the side lines.

As for dwindling numbers in the supplier directories should there ever be a shake up My own opinion would be that I would rather pay a membership fee for quality, not quantity, however I have been involved in marketing for long enough to know that wouldn't play out really well amongst most.

Unfortunately most put too much value in quantity believing that the bigger the database, the more chances they have of finding a supplier for themselves.

I would love to see the actual numbers of members using suppliers, my best guess would be that most members do their research well, and if so, would all end up using a core group of suppliers only anyway.

Of course I'm not really advocating dropping any suppliers really, more just getting them sorted into categories that offer members clarity. The one thing that always amazes me is when member have to ask in the forum if a supplier they have found in the directory is either legit, or are their products authentic.

It's not the members fault, it's the fact that it is at the point where we have so much garbage in amongst good solid suppliers that no one seems to have a clue anymore, and has to relay on the forum for assistance from other members who have used them.

I've always believed that the Forum was where the real value lay here in Salehoo because you could get real assistance with your questions, but seriously, the site is marketed on the suppliers in the database, not the forum where we are relying on each other, and that database should be brought up to spec for everyone.

At the end of the day we didn't join Salehoo to just be a part of a forum, so come one guys, put your heads down and do the right for us all, and clean up the database!

I don't think Salehoo has much of a choice in this situation, it has to evolve or it will outlive it's usefulness and struggle for traction in the market place. I'm just wondering what would happen if all of a sudden those members that do their bit and assist others were all too busy to chip in, my bet is a lot more requests for refunds!

Salehoo as a whole has to stand alone as value, and not just rely on others participating in the forum to ad value to its service, because that road is made out of broken bricks, and could collapse at any time should peoples circumstances change.

Of course the owners of Salehoo may have a very different opinion of how things are with the site, but for me....if the site was mine I would be making some serious changes to ensure the sites relevance for the future.


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4 Oct 08 11:07:42 pm
Haha. You have talent with prose. I think we've hijacked this post and turned it into something else. But I agree - I, too, like many others on here fell into the gimmick (not to be connoted as a bad thing) of buying into a LIFETIME membership program. I mean it's nice to know you'll have that resource forever - well for as long as the site exists anyways.

I paid some higher fees for a site similar to this but it has a few things done right *cough* wwbrands. For one, their CS is very good. They also have a research tool and e-book course thingamajig which is closely mimicked here on salehoo. I've put my time in and researched a few niches but a lot of the suppliers I found had a legitimate product but it was way too niche specific. I mean a golf ball retriever/stand and I have to buy 500$ worth of them?

It's great there's a ton of suppliers(you'd think at first) but after a while you're gonna have to dig through a mountain of suppliers to find a few gems. Even then, some people don't know how to spot those gems if they ever to find them. It's trial and error that some people don't have the money or will to do so.

I am by no means an expert in this realm and finding that ideal supplier has been a difficult journey, hopefully I found a good one here on salehoo -we'll see. But the thing is I've found some of the articles that jimmy's written have cut through a lot of the BS that I've read and gave REAL examples of scenarios he deals with. The education on this site - which I believe could be organized a bit better- is worth the subscription fee, I feel anyways. While it does have its shortcomings, I have found a few gems in the information on this site I haven't found anywhere else. I guess the organization of the site may be a test to weed out those who are determined to succeed the right way versus the quick way... lol. Now, if Salehoo added a dozen REAL DEAL wholesale suppliers (none of this second guessing BS) that would just be the cherry on top- a huge one at that.

Aside from the suppliers, if jimmy dropped a few more articles(like the liquidation merchandising post he had) every now and then that picked his brain, I would gladly pay 2-3x the original fee for that information alone. There are too many gurus out there that sell systems and not enough real 'mentors' that genuinely want to help people succeed. That's where the real value is.

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Yep, agree 100%.

Of course jimmy's input is invaluable, as you correctly point out that it cuts through most of the BS that is floating around out there and gives people real direction.

What we all have to remember with jimmy's situation is that he has his own enterprise that takes up a mountain of his time and effort, and that's his future, so that's where he should be concentrating.

No doubt with a little cleaning up in here, and some forward thinking, the site could offer it's members ongoing sensational value now and into the future, with or without a forum.

And yes, sorry about hijacking the thread...lol, maybe it's time we made a separate thread listing some members ideas on how we feel Salehoo could be made better!


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4 Oct 08 11:58:22 pm
Hello its Patrick from Dublin, only joined Salehoo yesterday.

Been reading this post.

Best thing I see here is this.

I have two sites where I can find wholesalers, one requires 20 sterling per month to ge the good info, other is similar .

It takes a lot of digging, a lot of companies want a minimum order, most dont show prices and you need to email for them.


Most of the sites had no forum like salehoo where by can meet people who have done all the hard work and found good companies and can share their information, thats well worth the membership alone plus the fact that you can be informed about bad companies and save yourself some heartache.

One little trick I always do is this.

Example, there was a company I wrote to and they had minimum order -50 products.

I write back and say thanks for your information, I am looking at your company and several other companies in your country, at the moment I am looking at a company that has no minimum order but really like the quality of your products.

Can I order samples.

They would write back.

And then I would ask how much to ship to Ireland.

The company with the minimum order of 50 wrote back and gave sample prices and postage,

I would write back and say thanks.Thats good, and I would say I sell products on ebay and sometimes need to order in small amounts of certain products or sometimes one product so I can see the quality, sell it and see how the feedback is with the customer.

The company ended up offering me a minimum order of 10 products which wasnt bad as the products were from $5 each.

The fact that I let them know I am looking at several companies usually snaps them out of their minimum order buzz !!

And when I say I am an ebay seller they understand.

Minimum orders is stupid in anyway, business is business.

Well thats how I get around some of them, no harm in asking

anyway, its great to have a little community where things can be discussed

you couldnt put a price on that now could you

talk soon

best wishes

Patrick

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5 Oct 08 04:43:18 am
I dunno....

I thought all the posts here kinda relates directly to the main topic... which is:

Salehoo is losing credibility. Haha.


Still I'm happy I got it.

But seriously, reviews on suppliers in salehoo means nothing right now unless more than 3 people rated it with great detail. Anyone can write review without any evidence or research. Some even rate 5 star with no comments at all. Seriously, they should only allow senior or master members to rate. All the newbies would just browse a few sec and say 'yeaaaaaa.... this site looks COOL. Im gonna leave it a 5 star for fun.' Then *!!poof!!* a fraud site ends up on one of the first companies listed on the directory whenever a search is made.

Cheers.

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5 Oct 08 08:38:41 pm
To be honest I believe this site has been set on cruise control for quite some time now If you ever look at the new member sign up page it is always chnging with a new soul coming in asking the same questions and a hand full of us answering them add that with a few outdated adds and listings and welcome to salehoo

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Hi,

I am a new member, and what i read about Salehoo holdme back and start suspecting my search even i was told that i will be in a land of dream having a dozen of trusted supplier and no worry for any middelman or scammers. This is my first week using Salehoo, please can you help me more with the best process not to be a victim of any deciving supplier.

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Hi,

I am a new member, and what i read about Salehoo holdme back and start suspecting my search even i was told that i will be in a land of dream having a dozen of trusted supplier and no worry for any middelman or scammers. This is my first week using Salehoo, please can you help me more with the best process not to be a victim of any deciving supplier.


Salehoo might not be the perfect platform, but that doesn't exist anywhere at the moment, and in my opinion this is still the best value for money available. What you need to do is just post some details about the products you are looking for, and the markets you are looking at selling through, along with any companies you want info on, and the members here will do their best to inform you.

Take a look through some old posts, you will find lots of useful information to also help you in your search throughout the forum.

Cheers


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7 Oct 08 09:54:37 pm
You know I am saddened to see Salehoo has not responded to this .Its like were dealing with the Great Oz hiding behind a curtain.So I am directing this to the Salhoo admin Why are you letting this place turn into what it is becoming you know I have defended you guys in other forums where people were saying this place was nothing but a scam we deserve alot better! When are you guys going to fix these issues???????

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8 Oct 08 12:18:49 am
I'm actually surprised about the lack of comment in this thread. I was expecting this to touch a bit of a nerve with a lot of members, but it seems that only a few of us believe that things good be done a lot better.

I guess the owners would not consider making changes when we seem to be in the vast minority!

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8 Oct 08 07:21:16 pm
This goes back to the original post.
And yes, I myself aren't sure CKB products is the cheapest.


It looks like CKB Products is a middleman for this site:

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I have actually found three or four other places as well of fake CKB sites they are all over the place CLONES so I have decided to start my own CKB SITE as well
JUST KIDDING I BET THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF THEM

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11 Oct 08 07:12:51 pm
just buy direct the supplier is bnfusa.com


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12 Oct 08 04:12:08 am
saveucash what a joke!!!!!
This man peddles his kid and then trys to sell me dropshipdesign!!!
He even tries selling stocks!!! meaning his tips on where to get stocks.also this tiny url scheme.
He then peddles bnfusa products and a few others...
hope they are not on salehoo

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13 Oct 08 04:51:09 am
ckb gets their products from a company in dallas texas,possibly not all.theirs a dollar store company alot of middlemen get products from.
I found alot of middlemen who buy from this company in dallas texas.
They have some decent stuff.
If you like i can make a list of middlemen companies and list on my website.
Or you can email me and i can give you info on middlemen companies.
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per first post,ckb gets products from main supplier in dallas texas.

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13 Oct 08 04:55:08 am
ckb not main supplier
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ill tell you main source
along with ipods

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25 Oct 08 03:47:36 pm
yoooooooooooo
the main supplier in Dallas
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Savesucash is reseller of many deals.
In fact many of us are resellers
the truth of the matter is many of you dont
want to buy large enough to get VIP
prices and service and will come and go


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25 Oct 08 03:48:52 pm
I own wholesalerwholesaler.com yes I resell
and yes i stock goods too I do best of both worlds.
anyone can do the same if you got the drive or connections


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I'm new to salehoo and I join salehoo to find suppliers that was able to offer genuine product at wholesale prices but in stead i only come accross discount retailers

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Yeah and that is all you will get I'm afraid :) forget magic lists of wholesale contacts they do not exist, I guess you are like everyone else wanting to profit on eBay and are probably a bit dissapointed.

Would be better to know a little bit about yourself and what type of business you are intending on setting up and we can go from there!

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I posted some great electronic companies.You will find something to sell.You will need resell LIC.

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I'm new to salehoo and I join salehoo to find suppliers that was able to offer genuine product at wholesale prices but in stead i only come accross discount retailers


The value in any given supplier depends on what products you want to source, what avenues you are selling through, and what volume you are buying in.

If you are expecting to go to any wholesaler, buy one unit and then expect to compete on ebay against sellers that buy container loads at a time, then you are fresh out of luck!

A little bit of common sense goes a long way.

I was just having this conversation via email with another member today, but I am surprised about how many turn up here expecting to make money without so much as even basic business experience.

Surely people wouldn't just open a traditional business without some business basics, yet when it comes to online business, people seem to believe that you don't even need something as basic as a business plan, or even the start of.

For some reason there seems to be this understanding that running a successful online business requires no business knowledge at all, just pay someone some cash and you will be provided with the key to unlock all the golden riches of the world.

Seriously, it reads like a bleeding fairy tail at times.

Sorry, but business is business, be it offline or online, it makes very little difference, and without at least some basic business knowledge the chances of success are extremely limited.

I think a lot of members would benefit more from leaning some business basics, rather than looking for invisible suppliers, and their magic money making products. These types of skills would at least inform them of what is realistic, and what is simply fantasy!

Ok, that's my daily rant...lol


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11 Dec 08 07:09:37 pm
Fudjj I have seen you write this thing about 1,000,00 times now! Maybe you should write a sticky ;)

But the man is spot on as always, When I signed up to salehoo I was exactly the same in all honesty, I thought I could join, find myself a dropshipper and retire by the time I was well, 18.

Truth of the matter is I was too naive, and I learned the hard way. I made all sorts of mistakes and lost a lot of money thinking that all this was easy. I never got scammed but didn't really know what I was doing. It is only because of that I am where I am today, so expect to have a bit of a hard time to begin with but if you can get through that and still want too do it, then you are pretty much there.

I think at times people are a little hard on people starting out. Yes, you are not going to compete on eBay buying 5 units at a time and yes most people who start out don't have tens of thousands to spend on stock or even tens of hundred for that matter. All you can do is put time and effort into making it in the end. You may well have a few things around the house to raise enough to buy in a batch of ex catalogue returns, you may then fix them up and make a bit and then keep going from there. Everyone goes down their own different paths and makes it in their own way.

The things recommended generally on the forum are going places like garage sales, car boots, flea markets and buy whatever catches your eye and resell it. Seems to work for a lot of people. Other option is to find a niche, one of the dark corners on eBay where the majority of sellers don't even think about.


Sorry, but business is business, be it offline or online, it makes very little difference, and without at least some basic business knowledge the chances of success are extremely limited.

I think a lot of members would benefit more from leaning some business basics, rather than looking for invisible suppliers, and their magic money making products. These types of skills would at least inform them of what is realistic, and what is simply fantasy!


This is another really important point. Business is Business when all is said and done. Is an online business the same as owning a shop? No nothing like it but they still carry the same fundemental ground rules. You still have to learn the trade, invest, eventually find staff, pay rent (hosting fees, eBay fees etc).

Cashflow will be your biggest issue in the early days, so you buy $500 worth of goods, what are you going to do? Sell all your stock and then rebuy after that, leaving delivery time doing nothing. Spend on two lots? Buy new stock every week? bi-weekly? monthly? All these things need addressing unless you are dropshipping...

You need a plan, you need a product, you need to prepare.

'Fail to prepare, prepare to fail' says it all really.

Best thing to do is to forget iPods, Video Games consoles, Mobile Phones and anything else that is majorly branded! Read the forum and just keep researching...

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Groundhog Day : )

Most of us know that the forum here is pretty good value for members, but I think Admin could do a lot more in the education of members than they do.

Seems to me to be too easy for Admin, they sit back collecting the membership fees and let the members assist those that have paid their money to join.

I know that Salehoo is a suppliers list, but giving people a product source without teaching the inexperienced how to benefit from it seems to be providing only half the picture to me.

It's obvious that most who join are inexperienced, and their expectations are perhaps a little extreme. Providing them with a list under the pretence that is all they need to make money is misleading in my opinion.

If you offer someone a cup of coffee, the polite thing to do is pour it into a cup, you don't just let them lick it of the counter!

Providing an experienced member with a product source is only that, you are not teaching them how to use that source to maximise their chances of success.

It's easy to market these types of sites, simply say we have what you need to make money on ebay, and the flood gates open. Well to have what most need to make money on ebay requires a lot more than a list of suppliers.

Teach them some business skills to get the most out of what is provided for them, don't just offer half a service that leads so many new members to complete frustration.

Finding a product source is such a small percentage of a businesses total success, so why isn't there some focus on teaching people how to use these sources, and the products they provide.

Who needs 1096 suppliers, NO ONE. When it comes down to it most people will use only a couple of suppliers, and pretending that members are getting great value because of the amount of suppliers provided simply plays on the inexperienced.

If Admin provided members with less garbage suppliers, and some good sound business tools to assist members to make the most of the suppliers provided, it would give everyone a better chance of success.

Is that not the main aim here?

Put some real meat in the sandwich for members, give them a real chance of succeeding by teaching them business skills here, not just taking their money and wishing them luck!


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11 Dec 08 10:12:08 pm
Could not agree more. Seems like they have decided to do a bit more lately than they have been. Writing the odd article here and there, but it still isn't really helping people make a full time income.

We have just started doing seminars and other lesson type stuff, we give away a couple of suppliers at the end but nothing ground breaking. All we really do is tell people what not to do and give them guidance, we charge 3 times as much as Salehoo do but never have any complaints. Says a lot about the real value of suppliers and the real value of knowledge really. You could have the greatest suppliers in the world, but if you don't know what to do with them what use are they?

No doubt salehoo needs a revamp. The same suppliers are still here since the day I joined. Half of them are scammers and the majority are just discount retailers as said before. It would be nice if the forum was more active as well with more questions being asked rather than the usual 'Where can I find a dropshipper who sells iPods for $50'.

I don't know whether it is a generalization that people think salehoo can give you this, the marketing or word of mouth but surely it would be a much better site if it offers sound advice if not anything else. That is worth $67 every single day of the week. Atleast that way the people who paid for the suppliers list and thought they were buying a golden ticket may not jump the gun and slate salehoo straight away.

Maybe a takeover bid from fudjj is on the horizon?

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11 Dec 08 10:45:59 pm
Hahahahaha, no take over bids on the horizon bevsey, but don't tempt me : )

You are showing that people will pay, and be happy to pay when they are taught the tools required to succeed through your seminars. Of course very few businesses come with a guarantee of success, but without the right knowledge they will virtually come with a guarantee of failure.

This site has the makings of a truly valuable resource, but the question is does the management have the insight to make the changes, and additions to get it there?

I've been here quite a while now and I've seen no evidence of it so far. Just the same old, same old!


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11 Dec 08 11:26:32 pm
Its a shame, could do wonders with this place!

But yeah all I do is go in stand up in front of a few people or occasionally one on one and just give advice. Most people are more than happy to go home and brain storm and find suppliers at home, they just need that little bit of business guidance and that is where I come in.

I still feel that in one way or another the site is a valuable resource, I do not agree with everything it does but on the whole it isnt bad! Even if you pay the $67 fee to come on here and get told you are living in a dream world, that to me is worth the money alone?

I have been here even longer than you now fudjj by the looks of things, and nothing has changed. Needs a revamp big time!

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14 Dec 08 07:00:04 am
Whenever I'm doing research I bring my desktop and ebay calculator to the show.

I look at prices at the company I'm looking at and on eBay.

I then run the calculations. If I can't make a profit on about 3 to 5 items I go on to the next company.

I agree with Fudjj on Salehoo.

There are thousands of members here looking for good suppliers.

Wouldn't this make a great spot for suppliers(true suppliers) to sell?

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15 Dec 08 09:51:07 pm
I always wonder to myself. Where is the owner of Salehoo ? I have heard of this Simon guy before,but never once have I seen him make a post, help out, or anything. I wish he would listen to his members. I like Salehoo it has helped me out,but at the same time I think the place needs more guidance especially for new members. You would think that if a company can pay that much on pay per click ads and affiliates to get new people here they would do something to keep them here. I am going to make this a topic lets see what happens.

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17 Dec 08 02:51:12 am
Would be nice for them to pop in and say hello once in a while! Cannot see it happening though, probably watching his account just go up and up and up.

Can't say many of us wouldn't do the same!

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Salehoo is not just a list. Salehoo has research tools and the forums not to mention salehoo also has many ways for people to learn things on how to run a business.
Many are found in the education tab. There is also a product research tab and more. This site is huge with the amount of information you can get from it. The forums alone are littered with information.

You claim admin does not care yet the admin has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars making salehoo better for members just like you. And you forget salehoo is also a business. Information sales. a 20 Billion dollar a year industry. Does the owner have to visit the site that he has other people running for him?

Lets go over some stats for you.

Thousands of members have found suppliers here.
So how many more have not?

90% of US businesses fail in the first year so you do the math. This site is global. I bet allot more have not found that supplier. But this is semantics. millions of people flock to the internet to try to make that almighty dollar. Yet 98% barely know how to use a computer. 98% of them don't know how to build a website and 98% of them dont have a clue how to run a business.

Most people kill their own eBay business because of stupidity. They jump in not even knowing how to swim first. Then within a year they have their tail tucked between their legs complaining about this or that as an excuse for their failure.

Many fail because they expect point and click riches. There is not one site on the internet that can do that for you so if your looking for that then save your time and money and give up now.

I lost $30,000 on a bad idea. I had a group that lost investments in this bad idea. Did I quit? Did they quit? Did I ask the liquidator that screwed me over to refund my purchase because I bought a load from them that I couldn't sell because it was just the wrong supplier for what I could do with it?

Heck no.

I got on the phones and started searching for a new supplier. I spent 2 weeks and made over 400 Phone calls. Then I dumped all of my savings into a new idea. There is no point to click riches. I work 80+ hours a week. Most of the time exceeding 100 Hours. I spend most of my days and nights working on my business. Ive spent 13 years and at least $100,000 dollars on many businesses and opportunities. Ive owned internet companies to construction companies. To get to where I am now. And im still not rich. I ran a local internet website design and hosting company untill technology and cheap hosting put me out of business.Ran a construction company for 4 years untill stupid employess put me off of it because of poor craftmanship and having to go back to fix mistakes.

Heck probably $7,000 has been spent on supplier lists alone on the net and on ebay. Ranging from $10 to $500 lists.

But im still here offering my advice. And several of those group members that were with me that lost money are still here and still post here to help others. We are all still trying to find our ultimate money maker. We didn't give up. Just what we tried didn't work. But its not easy to run a company. I can tell you that first hand. Look at my ppwdg feedback post. Its a royal pain in the butt to run a company that does moderate volume. Especially by yourself.


But the number one reason why people fail is because they are lazy. They expect everyone to do everything for them and for a tiny fee. while thier paypal account takes in payment after payment.Nobody wants to learn or study or research.

I have had to learn Html Programming, Flash programming, Business management and accounting software. FTP, dhtml, I've had to learn how to deal with suppliers, Shipping companies, Freight companies. International trade. Communication with buyers. Email technology. Advertising locally and on the internet. I have spent countless thousands of hours learning as I go.

And I'm far from done.


Salehoo has thousands of suppliers all in one place. You can search for them in the directory.They also have a community forum where you can get information and ask for advice. And the membership fee is $69

I spend $69 dollars going to the gas station so the membership fee is diddle to me. If your having a problem spending $69 on a supplier site. Then you have no right to even own a business. I have spent thousands and lost 30 times more trying to start a company that works. I have never once asked for a refund for any site. And I will never give up.

Will you?

Salehoo offers a money back guarantee. But you need to realize they are not miracle workers and they are not the ultimate site that guarantees you riches. You have to do that for yourself. They are a business. Salehoo will grow and more things will be added as it goes. Its like my company. I learn from my mistakes and make changes to grow and increase my customer satisfaction.

Simon does not have to come in here to say hello. He is just like me. Working all the time. He also runs several other websites he owns so salehoo is not the only site he has running. He has a great way to make money for himself and the large staff of people he employs. He still works the forums posting as admin and telling people about suppliers he knows of. He may say hello and he may not. But why should you expect him to?


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23 Feb 09 06:47:16 am

If you've checked it.... did you realize they look 90% the same (10% goes to colours and ads)?

There are plenty more out there in the directory... continously fooling people with their 5 star ratings which came from blur lack of research members.

They should be removed from the directory. Let's hunt them down one by one. I've spotted 2. But there must be more.

Cheers. Save yourself from this scam.



Yeah of course they look the same ..They are from stockmysite.com but each belong to different individuals who use their own domain names. When clients puchase a web site package from stockmysite.com they are able to change the general look of the site and set their own pricing +25% or +30% or whatever which accounts for the pricing differences you have jumped on. No one is being punked here except maybe you....lol

Go to stockmysite.com and have a good read and you will see everything is as they say it is.

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23 Feb 09 10:04:49 am
Check bnfusa before you check other websites and SMC

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Great post Jimmy, as always I find your knowledge and experience very encourging.

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Thnx a lot for this info piano1990
im really new here and im learning a lot of things

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28 Apr 09 02:21:17 pm
This may sound offensive but somehow I have a feeling that some featured suppliers are featured not because they are reliable, cheap and good in quality but because they paid to be featured. I wouldn't say it's wrong, but just that it has to be the best to be featured.


Hi
I just wanted to chime in on the above comment.

Our company, Mountain View Movies, is listed in the 'Advertised Suppliers' section of SaleHoo, as well as in the Wholesaler section of the website.
I can assure you, we have never paid a penny to Salehoo for being included. We are active participants in this forum, and that is all we contribute.
Therefore, I am not inclined to think that any of the advertised company's pay Salehoo for inclusion.
As a matter of fact, we have been contacted numerous times, by different folks from Salheoo, being asked questions about our business and our policys. Salehoo staff have even indicated they have purchased from us before.

It seems they are doing their due dilligence to include reputable companies.

Just my insight.
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OK, a couple of things:

1. The front page of Salehoo says: 'You'll get access to our frequently-updated wholesale directory that features over 8,000 verified sources for eBay and dropship products.' This is why people are joining the site and then saying that they have been lied to... because they have been lied to. The truth is that, like Jimmy says, the suppliers on this site are NOT suitable sources for ebay selling, the margins simply aren't there.


2. The front page also says: 'Our private members' forums have over 65,000 registered members and they are moderated by expert eBay Powersellers. You'll find straight answers to your questions from experienced online auction sellers and importers.' I posted a question 4 days ago about getting a paypal refund, no answers at all yet and I need a quick answer... if this was a free forum that would be OK, but it's not a free forum...
getting a paypal refund for a ripoff seller on ebay


Looks like a bit more integrity is required from the Salehoo management... I know there are people such as Jimmy who are always on these forums helping people and that's great... but I get the feeling that this place needs a major change to it's business model and the way it represents itself in advertising...

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My apologies for letting your post get under the radar Dan, but have posted to your problem now.


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I tend to think the Salehoo does make money from advertisements and certain placements on the site which is ok with me... This company is owned by Simon Slade and is a internet company designed to make revenue! Its only natural one would like to make earnings for doing internet work. Hats off Salehoo serves it purpose... Sure some bad people are here and so are some good..... Its the same with all business models some good some bad...... Pick the right vendor and due your research then jump int he water and get to selling! Happy Holidays to all!


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