Bdi Technologies - Scammers!

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sc
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20 Aug 06 01:22:47 pm
Where: Alibaba(Trading Website) Listing
Who: Bdi Technologies
Payment: PayPal
How Much: $865.00 USD
What: PSPs
Scammers e-mail: Link hidden: Login to view
Scammers Fake Name: John Mendesa

This sucks. Can't believe I actually got scammed. I'm usually pretty good with these things. They accepted PayPal! What the hell! DON'T LISTEN TO ANYONE THAT SAYS PAYPAL IS SAFE FOR PAYMENTS OUTSIDE OF EBAY
I filed a dispute with PayPal, and it was decided in my favor, but they said they couldn't get anything from the seller's account!

This was there response...
'We have completed our investigation of this case. We attempted to process a refund from the seller's account to your account. Unfortunately, the seller's account does not contain the funds necessary to cover this refund. We were able to recover $0.00 USD. We have taken action against the seller and are working to recover the remainder of your refund. We will contact you when we have more information. No further action is required of you at this time.'
This scammer will obviously never make a deposit in his FAKE account.

I thought PayPal would be able to withdraw the funds from the seller's bank account. That's not the case; the seller has to have money in his/her PayPal account to be able to receive anything.
Anyone can be scammed by PayPal, all they have to do is open an account, scam someone, get the funds transferred to their bank account, then close the account.

Has anyone been through this situation?
What should I do now?
Is there a website that handles cases like this that can get my money back?

I want to get his ip address...

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jennifer77
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21 Aug 06 01:37:33 am
awww man that sucks......isnt there a way for pay pal to find his bank account. I meanw hen i signed up for my pay pal i have to give bannk info.

There has to be a way for Pay Palt o find this out. Did you try calling pay pal instead of havinf emails sent back and forth.

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thomasjm99
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21 Aug 06 03:03:44 pm
Make sure PayPal stays on the invesitigation, do not just let it slide. It may take some time to get your money back but they should be able to do so. Just keep complaining, call them every other day. Ask to speak with managers etc... Getting your money back 6 weeks from now is better than not at all...

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mslilly
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23 Aug 06 01:01:25 am
Wow, I didn't know this! New to me!!!!

Makes me only want to use my credit card!!!

Good luck!

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dreamer148
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23 Aug 06 04:44:04 am
wow thats horrible. I kept thinking PayPal was safe. Did you get the 'money back guarantee' thing on that transaction?

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sc
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24 Aug 06 04:57:52 am
there is no money back guarantees from paypal if the transaction is outside of ebay

-RB!

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24 Aug 06 07:32:25 am
Did you pay with funds from your Paypal account or from a credit card? If you used your credit card to fund the transaction contact your CC compnay immediately and complete a chargeback!

You have 60 days to do this usually from when the money was taken out.

Let us know.


Have you got your own online store yet? Link hidden: Login to view
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mana2006
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24 Aug 06 04:07:29 pm
There is one method in the USA that can help. They do have a lot of internet complaints about fraud and scams and can rarely do anything. But for your own protection it is best to submit the info and file a claim. Its a goverment website that works with local law enforcement agencies and the FBI.

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mana2006
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24 Aug 06 04:20:58 pm
I sent the company a message and I will get a possible IP address for you if they respond to my email.

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25 Aug 06 02:55:47 pm
We would like to inform that any transaction, regardless how they are made, that is online or in store, require that you provide your RBC Visa card number and your expiry date. They constitute an agreement between you and the merchant you are dealing with. As a result, should this transaction be fraudulent and you would have paid willingly for either, a good or a service, the amount spent would not be refunded. Therefore, we advise you to be very careful about making online transactions before making them. RBC Royal Bank Visa cannot be held accountable of the use you are doing of your RBC Visa.


So, I don't see how a chargeback would work

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25 Aug 06 02:59:23 pm
I sent the company a message and I will get a possible IP address for you if they respond to my email.


Thanks, I appreciate your help

Yea, I've contacted Link hidden: Login to view before for a non-related issue regarding a site, and they never got back to me

It seems like the only way to have them investigate something, is if they get a bunch of complaints of a certain individual/site

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mana2006
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25 Aug 06 05:33:14 pm
I sent an email and all they did was read it. There is a 40% chance that the user is in New York. I didn't get an IP or anything because they never sent me a message in return. Guess this person has made these types of transactions before and sorta knows what they are doing. Sorry I couldn't do more. I used readnotify.com for the tracking service.

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erseerseinc
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27 Aug 06 04:43:30 am
This happens all the time with paypal. Seller opens up an account, keeps it on the low for some time, then starts making huge transactions, doesn't withdraw funds right away because then paypal stops them, wait for a huge sum, does one large dump to his bank account and bails with the cash. People that's why I say....AMEX NEVER LEAVE HOME, OR YOUR COMPUTER WITHOUT IT!

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29 Aug 06 09:20:24 pm
If I only knew about the real PayPal.
Salehoo shouldn't be advertising it as safe, which is clearly not the case.

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30 Aug 06 02:14:45 am
I sent an email and all they did was read it. There is a 40% chance that the user is in New York. I didn't get an IP or anything because they never sent me a message in return. Guess this person has made these types of transactions before and sorta knows what they are doing. Sorry I couldn't do more. I used readnotify.com for the tracking service.


How do you know that theres a 40% chance that this user is from NY? What else did the service say?

Thanks.

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mana2006
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31 Aug 06 12:12:05 am
He sent me another email and I got a 40% chance that he is in Cali. The guy is good. lol . Send me a pm and I will send the results via your personal email

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abstrakt
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31 Aug 06 01:50:45 am
I am having probs with paypal at the moment as well.
I had a guy buy from one of my auctions, he paid by paypal, I transferred once recieved to my bank account and then posted goods.
Couple of days later I get mail from paypal and ebay saying buyer had lodged complaint that account had been unorthorised use.
I sent paypal details and tracking number for goods, and waited. A week later I get letter that had been resolved but in the buyers favour. My paypal account is now a negative balance (lucky so far they not taken from my bank account) and I have no goods.
I have contested it and is still in process but it is definately not the secure, safe, methods of business that I assumed it to be.

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31 Aug 06 01:54:03 am
Paypal stinks!!!

We stopped using paypal as an accepted payment type about 6 months ago, what a relief. We accept all major credit cards. No more fraud issues as of yet, cross fingers.

The fraudsters know all the loopholes of PayPal, and exploit them to the fullest to take advantage of unsuspecting sellers.

We got burned by a PayPal scam. I do not want to go into details, Im afraid I will give wannabe scammers some good ideas!

I vote for a boycott of PayPal.

Good Day.

Tiffany


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31 Aug 06 01:57:36 am
before for a non-related issue regarding a site, and they never got back to me

It seems like the only way to have them investigate something, is if they get a bunch of complaints of a certain individual/site


Hi
I agree with the above.
I too filed a complaint with ic3.gov and never heard back. I filed with every fraud fighter agency possible. It is worth the time, because if a pattern is detected, they will act on it.
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31 Aug 06 02:57:30 am
I too have been scammed on paypal. I bought a watch from someone outside of ebay and never recieved the watch. They decided in my favor as well, but because the seller had no money in the account, I got nothing back. I called about it several times afterward and still did not get anything from paypal. I hate to say it, but you will probably never get anything back from the seller for those PSPs.

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31 Aug 06 03:18:43 am
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We would like to inform that any transaction, regardless how they are made, that is online or in store, require that you provide your RBC Visa card number and your expiry date. They constitute an agreement between you and the merchant you are dealing with. As a result, should this transaction be fraudulent and you would have paid willingly for either, a good or a service, the amount spent would not be refunded. Therefore, we advise you to be very careful about making online transactions before making them. RBC Royal Bank Visa cannot be held accountable of the use you are doing of your RBC Visa.

Hi guys, I am thinking to use my credit card to pay for online transactions, however when I read that does this mean that credit card is not safe as well? Could anyone help me with this. Thanks alot

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xjock
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31 Aug 06 04:02:22 am
your first mistake was 'AliBaba.'

Im sorry why would you trust an open registar of people claiming they can offer you wholesale when your registered here???

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31 Aug 06 07:48:32 am
He sent me another email and I got a 40% chance that he is in Cali. The guy is good. lol . Send me a pm and I will send the results via your personal email


I bet he's using 'Hide IP' address software

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31 Aug 06 07:49:41 am
your first mistake was 'AliBaba.'

Im sorry why would you trust an open registar of people claiming they can offer you wholesale when your registered here???


You can't find good suppliers all in one source. All good potential suppliers are spread out, and its your job to invstigate and make deals. Just because you have to pay to enter a site doesn't mean it will be scammer free. You still have to investigate companies regardless.
My mistake was not investigating the company fully. The fact they accepted PayPal made me think they were an actual company, since I kept hearing how PayPal is so safe. I want to blame Salehoo for this, just because they had me believe PayPal is safe; but I'm not going to blame anybody but myself.

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31 Aug 06 07:50:50 am
I too have been scammed on paypal. I bought a watch from someone outside of ebay and never recieved the watch. They decided in my favor as well, but because the seller had no money in the account, I got nothing back. I called about it several times afterward and still did not get anything from paypal. I hate to say it, but you will probably never get anything back from the seller for those PSPs.


It seems that way, but I will hunt this mother****** down! :twisted:

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31 Aug 06 08:26:18 am
Paypal is never safe. I hear of people getting scammed by recieving an empty box with just a tracking number on it. And paypal find the dispute in the scammer!!!

I guess all you can do is go on paypalsucks.com and vent your anger there. Some of them might be able to help too

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31 Aug 06 08:39:46 am
Paypal is never safe. I hear of people getting scammed by recieving an empty box with just a tracking number on it. And paypal find the dispute in the scammer!!!

I guess all you can do is go on paypalsucks.com and vent your anger there. Some of them might be able to help too


If I only came accross that site before hand...

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egypt1234
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31 Aug 06 04:19:41 pm
You shouldn't blame paypal. Paypal is basically made for transactions made inside of eBay. They do not gurantee anything will work outside of eBay. Plus, what else do you want to use? I bet everything else has holes and scammers will always be able to work around any payment method.

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You can't find good suppliers all in one source. All good potential suppliers are spread out, and its your job to invstigate and make deals. Just because you have to pay to enter a site doesn't mean it will be scammer free. You still have to investigate companies regardless.
My mistake was not investigating the company fully. The fact they accepted PayPal made me think they were an actual company, since I kept hearing how PayPal is so safe. I want to blame Salehoo for this, just because they had me believe PayPal is safe; but I'm not going to blame anybody but myself.


People...we are not safe online and have no one and no service to rely on...the odds of ic3.gov getting back to you are 1:100,000,000,000....just because salehoo charges also, does NOT make them any different at all than Alibaba and all the other B2B sites out there...paypal is another one...it is not the safest way to pay NOTHING IS SAFE ON HERE! Here are some tips...verify your buyer/seller and make sure he is verified with atleast 10 verified transactions under his belt...Hate to say it, but you're right, you can only blame yourself...its a dog eat dog world here...good luck in surviving...

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6 Sep 06 05:32:20 am
Yes I also had problems with Paypal. I Brought some watches from 'ada9905' DHgate.com network. One Watch didn't work at all, the other (2) didn't keep time well. Paypal said they weren't responsible for items that didn't work. Couldn't ship them back into China either. I was told by U S Postal Service, watches, jewelry, cameras can't be shipped back into China, customs would keep the items. When I contacted seller said he was sorry. No Refund, No Replacements. . If I shipped insured mail, package would be opened, items kept.
I've Got The First Timers Blues, Lesson Learned

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7 Sep 06 09:23:19 pm
That is really a terrible news for anyone to read about this type of disaster from Paypal. Thank you for passing this news for all of us to be more aware of our online activities with Paypal. I didn't even think this could be possible for someone to pull this off. It does scare me a great deal. I certianly hope you do get your money back. It just unfair for you to be taken advantage of. Hmm Keep us update if possible.

Marc

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abstrakt
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9 Sep 06 11:49:33 am
Well, I got news back from paypal about my dispute. It was found in buyers favour. Someone had been using his account. So even though I had followed all procedures with the sale through ebay, was able to supply tracking number and show goods had been sent, I am out $300 by paypal and no chance of getting my item back. So I guess is good that paypal protects the buyers, but as a seller, I don't like the way it all works. Anyone after receiving goods could make complaint that was not them using there account and get refund. Why is it so much easier to scam people than it is to be legit? :x

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conan
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9 Sep 06 03:37:34 pm
Doesn't anyone find using COD delivery helpful in fighting scam.

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believer1984
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11 Sep 06 11:17:36 am
Oh god that is scary! i thought paypal was safe !!!

The scammers are wiining and the good guys are getting weak!

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sc
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22 Sep 06 04:59:10 pm
Doesn't anyone find using COD delivery helpful in fighting scam.


9 out of 10 sellers don't want to accept COD

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24 Sep 06 04:32:17 am
I FOUND A SITE WHERE YOU CAN FILE A COMPLAINT AND THE WHOLE WORLD WILL SEE IT.

Link hidden: Login to view LOVELY SITE AND YOU CAN COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS SITE AND WHAT THEY DID AND THAT WAY OTHERS WONT BE STOLEN FROM!! I USE IT TO INVESTIGATE ALL DROP SHIP OR WHOLESALE OR ANY BUSINESS ON THE NET GREAT SITE!!!

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28 Sep 06 04:23:20 am
Paypals needs to have responsability for that money, bcs if they get their percentage and they work with that money for some days... they have to have any responsability.
All the companies that work handling money they have 'money insurance' (as Banks), and they can used it in cases like this. You have to continue complain with manager every single day... they have to give your money back, bcs it was Paypals fault. good luck!!

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aschen
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12 Oct 06 04:08:50 am
wow thats bad luck. well atlest i wont be buyin' from them, thnks for the warn

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shizaam
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5 Nov 06 03:26:58 am

9 out of 10 sellers don't want to accept COD


More like 99,999/100,000

And I can see why, the legit buyer could be thinking, hey this is a bit dodge. What if he doesn't pay up?

I wouldn't sell if it was pay once you get item, You could say you never recieved it. Escrow is the best but even legit sellers don't use it?

Some big police dude should say that Escrow is the only way a company can sell online or else they can't sell. Then everything would be happy days until some scammers found a loophole in Escrow and exploited it.

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shizaam
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5 Nov 06 03:29:04 am
I wouldve thought that PayPal could see the bank the guy deposited into. Its like with your own bank account, if you deposit money from it into someone else's it shows up on your statement.

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