Hillary or Obama

Ok this is more of a ramble post, But Lets see how it goes. Please keep it clean lol
Who do you want to see as the Next President.

Hillary Or Obama Or the later hehe :roll:

I hate to say this but we are going to be in a world of trouble if either of these 2 get into the white house! We thought Bush was bad. You ain't seen nothin yet!

I dont think there ever is a great choice for a good president. Its a big job to fill But I dont think anyone can screw up our economy any worse then it is already.

I personally do not want hillary in office. She has already proven to be too emotional for the job. The last thing we need is an emotional wreck in control of our military lol .

But I do agree on the views of both parties on a complete gradual withdraw of our troops from Iraq. We have been there too long. and its time that the government of Iraq Stepped up and handled their own security.

Jimmy it looks like you are leading the polls right now. Congratulations! :D

McCain's not running anymore? LOL

looks like my plan for world DOMINATION may be a possibility :twisted:

Obama is definatelyl out for me. Hillary may be a little emotional but that is not always a bad thing. At least, she has somewhat of a christian background but I must say, that Obama's religious background scares me. As you know, our country was founded on Christ and when that component is left out, our country goes down the tubes. Personally, I wanted Huckabee!!!! He He!!!!

McCain's not running anymore? LOL

He doesnt get much media attention lol.

Obama is definatelyl out for me. Hillary may be a little emotional but that is not always a bad thing. At least, she has somewhat of a christian background but I must say, that Obama's religious background scares me. As you know, our country was founded on Christ and when that component is left out, our country goes down the tubes. Personally, I wanted Huckabee!!!! He He!!!!

Actually, the country was formulated with the idea that church and state would be separate. In fact, the first amendment states 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…'. You might be confusing the fact that many people came to the Americas to escape religious persecution (such as the Pilgrims) but the founding fathers clearly wanted to separate church and state.

That may be true but I'm glad our money still says in God we Trust and the Pledge of Allegience still says 'One Nation under God' and if you will read God's Word you will find that any nation that has turned their back on God has fallen and we are in danger of the same thing. So my thought was that if I were choosing someone to run the nation, I would certainly look at their religious background; it concerns me that Obama will not say our pledge or put his hand on our bible. What else will he not do if he is elected? I realize that everone has their own thoughts and that is ok, but this is mine!!

I'm with you 'shirlsshopandship' in your ideas of God. We HAVE turned our back as a society---- and I could really go on and on about the ramifications of that... but this really is not the place. If you do not agree, just pick up a history book and see how EVERY great nation has fallen. It is no coincidence.
Obama is so 'cookie cutter'. He reminds me of a Jr. High schooler running for class president. Promises promises. What's next? Free vending machines in the offices across America!? He is sooo smooth it is scary. :shock:
However, I really do not think Hillary is the answer either. :evil:
I'm voting for Jimmy. 8)

Obama is definatelyl out for me. Hillary may be a little emotional but that is not always a bad thing. At least, she has somewhat of a christian background but I must say, that Obama's religious background scares me. As you know, our country was founded on Christ and when that component is left out, our country goes down the tubes. Personally, I wanted Huckabee!!!! He He!!!!

I just thought I would inform you of obama`s religious background.
He is a christian ,although his father was of muslim decent. From somewhere in the mideast I think
His mother is white midwesten american from Ohio

This is an excerpt from barack`s book about his religion


I was not raised in a religious household. For my mother, organized religion too often dressed up closed-mindedness in the garb of piety, cruelty and oppression in the cloak of righteousness. However, in her mind, a working knowledge of the world's great religions was a necessary part of any well-rounded education. In our household the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology.

On Easter or Christmas Day my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the Chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites.In sum, my mother viewed religion through the eyes of the anthropologist; it was a phenomenon to be treated with a suitable respect, but with a suitable detachment as well. As a child in Indonesia, Obama studied for two years at one Muslim school and then two years at a Catholic school. In both places he experienced religious indoctrination, but in neither case did the indoctrination take hold: during Quranic studies he made faces and during Catholic prayers he would look around the room. Eventually, Barack Obama abandoned this non-conformism and skepticism to be baptized as an adult in the Trinity United Church of Christ.

The United Church of Christ emphasizes the freedom of the individual conscience over adherence to creeds or hierarchical authority. This is similar to traditional Baptist Christianity and something that is honored more in theory than in practice when it comes to the Southern Baptist Convention. Several historical creeds and catechisms are used by the United Church of Christ as statements of what their faith, but none are used as 'tests of faith' which a person must swear upon.

Actually, the country was formulated with the idea that church and state would be separate. In fact, the first amendment states 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…'. You might be confusing the fact that many people came to the Americas to escape religious persecution (such as the Pilgrims) but the founding fathers clearly wanted to separate church and state.

It looks like this thread has turned into a religious discussion. Ok I’ll bite.

Actually, this first amendment you’re referring to restricts the government from interfering with religion - not the other way around. Any person, religious or otherwise, has no less right to be involved in government the way they see fit. And yes, this law was intended to end religious persecution because of the oppressive law of England which did indeed have religious laws. There is no mention of “separation of church and state” in the Constitution.

By the way I do not favor Hillary or Obama. I'll take Jimmy.

This country was dominated by christianity, not founded by it. Just because you move somewhere and make everyone live the way you want them to does not mean that your word is the only word. Remember, there were already people living here long before there were christians forcing thier ways on others.
There is no one right way for people to live.

As for Hillary, she lies too much.
Link hidden: Login to view Caught on tape telling lies. And you want her to run our country.??

Well, God was here long before this country was here. He is the reason for your every breath and can give and take it at his will. he is your creator and gave you life. Aren't you grateful for that and the fact that he went to the cross and died for you so you might have the chance to return some of that love by living for him. As far as this country being dominated by christianity, God gives us all a free will to chose how we want to live and it is your choice. Some people have the mistaken thought that we try to make you live as we do but the plain truth is that as a christian, we are to strive to be like Christ and that means loving you and praying for you even if you don't believe. That is your choice but that won't stop me from loving your soul and praying for you.
I am not crazy about Hillary either but I just feel that she is the lesser of the 2 evils!! When I go to vote, I will say a prayer and let God direct me at that time. My faith is Free Will Baptist and my uncle is a Southern Baptist preacher and the comment above is not reflective of our faith. We believe in every word in the Bible and that is what I try to live by. That is why this world is in such a mess, because people are living anyway they want to instead of living by Gods Word. When our country turns its back on God, we will fall. That is not my opinion, that is biblical. Again, Huckabee would have been my choice, not Hillary.

Caught on tape telling lies. And you want her to run our country.??

Im starting to wonder if maybe we should choose hillary. Why you may ask.

So we can call BILL the 'First Lady'

I don’t believe that religion has any place in the government. Our leaders should put their personal religious beliefs aside when making decisions that impact millions. G.W. has had conversations with God and look where that’s gotten us.
I have to vote for who I think can beat McCain and that’s Hillary.

Religion may not have any place in government but it sure does have a place in the persons heart who is in a government position. My religion makes up the person that I am. I would not be able to function day by day if I did not live on my convictions. How can you hold an office and keep what you believe out of it. That is what you are inside and what makes you make the decisions that are so crutial to the office you hold. I want the person who has a direct phone line to God so that he can consult when the going gets tough. I truely believe that McCain is a little to old to run for Pres.
By the way, how old are you Jimmy?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!That may affect my vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

I definitely think that we should have a younger president. I don't think that we need to stick with older hardliner ideals from an older president. We need someone that is more in tune to todays generation and the needs of the people should outweigh our reputation as the most powerfull country in the world.

Right now there are alot more younger people that are very interested in what is going on with our country. I do think we need to get out of Iraq. Let them decide how to run their own country and if they cant figure it out let the country burn itself into the ground. Yes Saddam Did need to be removed. But Saddam did keep Iran In check. And I seriously doubt he was a threat to us.
Our military even though its more advanced then any other nation is getting very tired. I have so many friends in the military and some have been in Iraq 3 times. Why are we there? Shouldn't we be in Afghanistan finishing the job we started ?

In my opinion The US really should Leave International Issues in the hands of the UN. If the UN wont do anything then its their problem. We are the worlds only superpower. If we don't have the support of the UN then how Powerful are we really? Were not going to be very powerful If we cannot afford to fill our own gas tanks. And were not going to be very powerful if we strain our relationships with our ally UN members.

The US really needs to concentrate on its own affairs and Its own people. They are bankrupting us all for a war we don't support anymore. I want our troops to come home. There will be no end to the fighting over there. Its all those people know. Our ally 10 minutes ago are now running up behind us with grenades. My brothers best friend has nightmares every night because he had to shoot and kill 3 boys no older then 11 years old. 2 armed with AK's and one throwing grenades. There is no control. They can claim all the progress they want. As soon as our troops start pulling out the violence will escalate again.

I actually miss the Clinton Days myself. When the only thing the media had to say was I didn't inhale. Or the stained shirt in the oval office ordeal. And the national debt was getting smaller and smaller. While many many younger families were able to buy homes because it was easier to get credit. And it was also the early days of ebay when it was so prosperous to sell there.... I miss those days.

And BTW im 32 Old enough to know. And still care :D

Oh, you are just a youngster!! I think about this war but you know, I had 2 good friends killed in the Vietman war and it was just as bad. I was still in H.S. and two brothers that were good friends were in Vietnam and one of them was killed and also another friend from school. War is bad, no matter where or when it happens. I would say that all that have been in war have nightmares. My nephew has 2 stepsons in Irac. One is on his 3rd time. It is just that the media is so all over it these days, that I think it keeps people so stirred up. I have issues with the media. They seem to rule!! I think one of the things that bothers me about Obama is that he went to this radical church for 20 years and allowed his children to be taught this mans view on things and now he states that he does not agree with his views. Would you allow your children to be raised in a church where you disagreed with the teachings? I don't think so. Talk about lying. That is a BIG one!!

Yes the media is a very good problem maker. I actually get very sick of seeing the news these days. I love how you have CNN doing a special report on how poor the security was at our ports. And how a nuclear bomb could easily be smuggled in. Or how they do such detailed jobs at showing Americas Vulnerabilities.

Or special reports that can show child predators how to take advantage of our children online. All in the name of truth or Ratings and personal gain for the reporters.

Im not a big media fan these days

Do we now believe we can consider morality and religion optional, without suffering civil and societal repercussions, despite the warning of our Founding Fathers like John Adams, 'Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other'?
without morality and religion, we have the parties of today.
Jacks

You go Jacks!!!! Unfortunately, it seems each generation slips further away from morality. Yes, and the generations before them are to blame (that would be us)! Get those children in church and watch things turn around. You just can't leave our creator out of the decisions concerning our nation. Duh!! he did make everything you know and he can destroy it just as easily. If we would stop and think that God chooses to give each one of us our next breath. He does not owe us anything. But by his grace, we are pardoned and by his stripes we are healed and forgiven. I don't know about anyone else but I fear God and his wrath on our nation. I would ask that everyone be praying for our Nation and the decision of our Leaders!!!!
Thanks

Mc Cain

WoW! Now that's deep!!!! Okay I could not resist, doesn't anyone just think he's a breath of fresh air for this country. He grew up in the real world not the world of champagne and cavier on a gold platter. He does have a pulse on reality about what this country needs to change and religion aside (I am a true baptist) we have to focus on the drama that the current president has caused and until that changes we are all in trouble. Instead of focusing on religion let's look at what this world is really dealing with such as' shall I say it or better yet let's start a list and see how far we can go with it.
1. High Gas Prices....Next?

I still think Obama is the better person suited for the job.

I don’t believe that religion has any place in the government. Our leaders should put their personal religious beliefs aside when making decisions that impact millions. G.W. has had conversations with God and look where that’s gotten us.
I have to vote for who I think can beat McCain and that’s Hillary.

McCain is praying that hillary will win the nomination,because with her past record
in congress and whitehouse he will slaughter her in that race.Hillary has lied so much and changed her views so many times to fit her needs.She cannot be trusted to do anything but try and gain as much power and money she can get her hands on. Obama is fresh blood with new and refreshing ideas to bring real change for this country, which is long overdue.Hillary is preaching the same lines
as Obama only after she seen his views and ideas was getting noticed. Hillary is only in this for her own selfish reasons.

Personally, I am sick to death of the word CHANGE! You get Obama in office and you will think change. You have to consider what kind of change he is offering. Does it not bother you that he won't say our Pledge to the flag or put his hand on the Bible to be sworn in. Wake up, his religious background is exactly what is threatening our country right now. Fresh blood is not always best especially when it is so inexperienced! But you know what? Everyone has their opinion and I'm not saying you are wrong but please consider Obama's radical background. Is that really what you want to run our country. I really don't think we have much to pick from and that is pretty sad.

I don't think that a person has to be religious or believe in God to be a good person. I do believe that what you believe in your heart and if you live by what you believe in, you can make a difference and you can make good decisions for all people involved. Hiliary believes in God but yet she lies to suit the MAJORITY. That is how politics usually works. Please ANYONE, list 5 people that never lied once in a political position or for that matter, for presidency............

Besides, I would never vote for someone just because they go to church and live a christian life. That is a consideration for me, but I want to vote for someone that can submit changes and follow through with that. I want to vote for someone that is going to do good for the majority of the people, because if the majority are affected by that decision or change, the rest will be affected by the majority. It's not what that person can do for me personally, but as a responsibility of a voter, I have to vote for someone that is going to make good changes for the majority of the people. I live my life by God's word but I will not be blinded just because they have a religious belief. I have to know what they are going to do for all people.

And another thing I would love to see changed is political parties. I want to vote for someone that is going to make changes for all people. I don't vote because they are with a certain polital party. I think we should do away with political parties because it just separates us, as a nation, even more. We should vote for the best person for all. :)

And Jimmy, that would be kind of cool to see a man as a first lady. :) Now that changes politics right there. lol But Hillary is just not the person for me.