Letter to ebay.com

My name is Marc Ransom, and I am the Community Manager for a wholesale resource website directory called SaleHoo.com.

We have an issue with an ex-member of ours who owned an operated a company called Link hidden: Login to view. This company was involved in selling our members loads of liquidated stock for the purpose of re-selling on ebay and through other such avenues.

Recently this member has chosen to close his business with many of our member's orders outstanding, and is now refusing to respond to all methods of contact by ourselves on behalf our members, or by the effected members that did not receive goods that they payed for.

It has now come to our attention this this member is actually selling our members missing stock through his ebay account and I would like to know what avenues we have to get this stopped asap.

The ebay id of the seller is productsplus1976, and his name is Mr Jimmy Huber.

Individual members are in the process of filling legal action, however on behalf of our membership I would like to know what measures ebay can take to stop this person getting away with what amounts to selling stolen items on your site?

Your urgent attention to this mater is sought as I am sure you will understand the gravity of it's importance.

Kind Regards,
Mr. M.Ransom

Community Manager
SaleHoo.com

AWESOME!!! get em fudjj! knowing ebay all his ebay accounts will be frozen and hopefully his paypal too! i wish i could be there to see the look on his face, i'd take a picture of it and sell it on ebay, lol

Go get em Fudjj.

If it hasnt been stated already you may want to indicate that complaints have been filed with the Illinois Ag and there may be pending criminal charges filed against him. And if possible forward some copies of the complaints, if possible.

I had a bad business relationship with someone, who by the way, was selling behind another members eBay ID. I pointed out some evidence related to this and within 3 days they were shut down.

And if I am correct, eBay has a good behavior policy, not what they call it but I cant remember how to state it. This could also effect PPDWGs standing.

BTW, if you sent this last week it may be why his account is gone. If so good work.

Thanks Fuidjj

Jimmy's eBay ID has been changed to swimwear_and_more

Yes, I didn't use his new id for a reason. I wanted ebay to notice the change of id themselves when they look up his file. I'm hoping that in itself may actually work to ring their own alarm bells with what I have already written.

Sneaky, but worth a try : )

I will write to eBay as well regarding this matter and see if it helps eBay make their decision sooner to shut all Jimmy's store. People like this who take advantage of others who wants to better their lives or make extra bucks to help their daily needs should be put out of business or better yet, belongs to prison!

Good one GR, the more ammunition that gets fired at his account, the better!

Good Job fudjj, hope to hear more info in the near future. :)

Jimmy's 'About Me' page has also been rewritten in the past couple of days so it would seem he is back in the land of the living.
I feel terribly sad that it has come to this situation - all of us after his blood. I know he did try very hard to make a success of this in the beginning. If only he had just been true to himself, put aside his arrogance and admit he needed to recruit competent help, maybe he or we wouldn't be in this awful situation. I just can't forget that he has three little girls to feed and educate. Don't jump on me though, I feel for those of you who still have nothing for the money that you sent him and no apology or how's your father.

I thin Im going to send a letter to ebay also, good job fudge

Great job mr ransom.

Hi Guys,

I'm pretty new here so haven't had the pleasure(?!) of dealing with Jimmy in the past but just wanted to say how wonderful the community spirit, support and loyalty to each other is here. I really feel for those who have been stung so badly by someone they trusted. I hope Jimmy is held to account for his actions.
Great letter Marc!

Best wishes to all x

yes it is nice to see fudjj, and the rest of salehoo stepping up and helping out those effected any way they can. thanx guys

Any response from eBay?

Put a fire under the poor little live support guy yesterday, while he couldn't do much, he did offer to to place a top priority on the response.....that is supposed to get some action within 48 hours, so we'll see.

Back months ago I wrote about Jimmy and how he was a rip off but everyone talked bad about me. Im sorry certain people did get ripped off worse than me, but I am upset that no one believed me when I was told that I was wrong when I heard that Jimmy picked out all the good things and sold them on ebay and left the shit for us.

Well, here I sit, and still I have heard nothing. Contacted live support in an effort to speak with a supervisor today, no such luck......again was told it would be given priority treatment.

Not giving up!

give em hell fudjj, keep up the good work

I've just contacted the AG office in an effort to get an update on any legal proceedings. I don't actually expect to be given any information, but what the hell.......I figured it was worth a try lol.

Keep up the good work fudjj.

OK, for those following this little saga the latest is......

Two weeks now, no response, in fact my mail remains unopened completely apparently. It has now been three times that I have contacted Live Support, only to be told that they would put a priority on the message to ensure it would be read and responded to inside 24 hours each time!

I have asked to speak to a supervisor, which goes unrewarded. I have asked for a number to dial them direct, no number can be given as they only deal with email responses I am told.............

I am getting left with very few options, one being a media blast, not only about their SHOCKING customer service, but how they are happy to let members persist in selling stolen goods on their site after being warned of it taking place!



Seriously, how in the hell does anyone get any satisfaction out of these idiots....I'm open to ideas......anyone?

I've also now contacted the AG's office twice to try establish some contact, they may as well be employed by ebay for the complete lack of any sort of response at all.

I feel your pain. Hows about ACCC ?

Hey Marc,

I have been able to contact ebay by phone a few times now. I think as long as you have an account you just log in and click>help>contact us by phone> then you will be given a pin to use when calling. Now this might not be accessible for International use but I know in the US you can contact by phone. You probably won't get the right extention to address this but at least you can speak to a human and get their response.

I was looking at Jimmy's ebay account. I only see a few listing so where is all his other stuff?

the sporting goods load and all???

Yes well if eBay is letting this slide, I think you are right to take it further (media) but let them know first. That might get them to open up!!! I love eBay, but this boils my blood....

would it do any good to start pinging his products individually? stolen is one of the categories you can choose as to why you are reporting the item to safe harbor. it might at least start knocking his individual items off the board. I would be more than happy to do it if fudjj thinks it would fly. Ive been elbow deep in it with ebay now on several occasions and can eat alphabits and poop a 2 page letter to ebay at this point. holla!

productsplus1976 is not a valid ebay user ID or store name?? has it worked or did i typo?

Yeah he changed it to swimwear_and_more like a month ago I think.

OK, after going several rounds with ebay regarding this issue I've hit a dead end. Now the only option that is open is for me to fill out a report of the stolen item number and forward that to legal represntation.

The problem is how do you prove that any item is stolen when we don't know what belongs to who.

This really has made my blood boil, not just the fact that trying to get any word at all out of ebay is near on impossible, but that they just aren't interested at all. As long as they are making money on the transaction they could give less of a damn.

I don't have any ideas guys, at least not apart from writting a story and approaching some media outlets to distribute. Maybe even focusing on his local area, see if we could generate some local bad publicity for him, at least cause him some local embarassment, but that's all about it would do.

As for the GA department, 3 attempts now to make contact with them to see if I can get any follow up on proceeding legal acation, but not a single response from them.

Could someone who hase actually filed legal action perhaps give us an update as to what is currently happening?

Sorry to hear your story bubbles, another victim in all this, but I have sent you a PM.

If you type a search of the seller productsplus1976 it comes up with swimwear and more. Meaning yes that is him. I then went onto 'about the seller' from his store and again its him. same address as ppwdg.com. I saw on here that his personal email is Link hidden: Login to view and you can also contact seller on his eBay store as well. I too am willing to do anything that you need me to to get things rolling both with eBay, AG, and the media. if we band together, we might see some progress. let start contacting the AG office in illinois daily. that might net us something. I also have his address for PPWDG and that is is warehouse. Might be worth something. I have written down every bit of helpful info about him that I could find.

Also, i find a lot of good answers for questions on Yahoo! Answers, might be worth asking someone there how we should proceed. I hate that everyone is turning a blind eye to this.

Ok off to bed soon. but wanted to add this. you can yahoo/google search a mix of Jimmy Huber/ppwdg and come up with a variety of stuff. Unfortunetly connecting salehoo and a scam. Is he the creator of Salehoo.com? if not, many a site claim he is. Also, I found a goldmine, stephanie is on Myspace and logged on (as of 1:04am PST 7/16/2009) 8 hours ago. Havent check facebook, but nothing came up on my yahoo search with facebook. Nighty Night all!

ok, here is my update this morning. My bank cannot get me my money back as it has been over 60 days :-( I sent a message to jimmy over ebay and stephanie over myspace. But looking on my bank account, i did find another good piece of info, their phone number!! Here it is for all of you 217-454-5774. I still need to call the AG office in Illinois to request the paperwork. Fill me in on how things are going for all of you, i will check back this evening.

Talked to the AG office in IL, they said that I have to go through my state AG office. I filled the form online with the WA State AG office. will keep you all posted.

That's very interesting to hear Bubbles.

Up until know I was under the impression that everyone was filling with his local department so that information comes as quite a surprise to me.

Now I'm wondering how that effects international members that have been effected.

I would really like to hear from some others that have filed so we can get a clear picture has to what is going on here. Really looking forward to hearing how yours unfolds Bubbles, but don't forget to at least try the charge back route, definitley worth it!

I will certainly keep all posted. As is obvious, I am here frequently now to fill you all in as it happens. I will let you all know if I get any reponse via eBay or Myspace. I did search for Jimmy himself on Myspace and found that he too has 3 accounts. I have pretty much been checking these sites (eBay, Myspace, and salehoo.com) all day to see if anything happens. I did try to get the chargeback, but the bank says its too long ago.

OK, well at least it was worth a try with the bank, but I would be pushing them a little harder if I were you. Don't expect anything from ebay, they have driven me made as hell over the past few weeks trying to even get someone to read my inital letter to them.

They quite simply don't give a rats patootie!

He won't respond through his myspace accounts, nor his ebay account. In fact his response to gettingmembers chasing him through his ebay account was to change his id to try and hide.

He's made the decision to go to ground and try to shelter from any fallout, but lets just hope that the authorities won't let him!

Well, if nothing comes from my attempts, then I will be pushing more into my AG office and police department, as well as considering a lawyer. Yea it will cost me money, but he will be the one paying for it in the end. I believe that we can all get on a lawsuit and I believe that it is what we SHOULD be doing. We need to gather all info possible about who is affected, the amount they are out etc. and then approach a law office or other legal means to filing a joint claim. Again, Yahoo! Answers could be help in finding the right approach or i think there is a site that you tell them your story and then lawyers read it and respond if they want to represent you-something to look into. Point is, we need to figure out a way to all approach this as a joint effort. One alone isnt going to do much, but working together, we could get our money back. I especially feel bad for the story of the people that are out something like $21k, thats extreme.

When this frist broke there was quite an uproar for many, as you could imagine, however over time that seems to have dramatically twindled.

When I called for effected people to send me their order details in an effort to put some sort of group effort together I recieved just 1 members details, and found another efected person on another site.

TWO, that was it!

I can only assume that most members were successful in claiming chargebacks, because no one apart from you, the 21k member and the other effected pesron on another site are showing any interest at all.

There was another member that sent details, but as it happened they actually recieved their goods after all.

I have been completely shocked by the lack of interest. When this first happend everyone was screaming for blood, and screaming at SaleHoo to do something.

Well,SaleHoo did all they could, then I thought I would try a group attack, and virtually nothing

BIZARRE!!

Well i guess then that its just the small group of us then, but that $21k is a big deal, and I certainly want my money!! It is bizarre since you would not only get your original money back but compensation could come for 'damages' if we do a lawsuit. I will proceed with finding about that lawyer site I mentioned earlier, but not until early-mid next week, I would like to see what comes from my state's AG office first. I will proceed as necesary depending on their level of interest. Maybe people think if they cant get him to respond, then there will be nothing that they can do but let it go....who knows...

If your claim is for less than $5,000, file in small claims court...no lawyer needed.

Get him on the Judge Judy show; that would be fun to watch.

Definitly looking forward to seing what transpires through your complaint with your local AG.

Nice thinking with the small claims Dave, wouldn't be a good avenue to file for damages, but would be a way to get a small investment back.

I've decided to contact some local newspapers in jimmy's area. From what I can work out nothing seems to have a very big readership, but if a story like this can at least cause him some local embarrasment, then it's worth while looking at for my money.

So far he has been whipped to death with a feather duster, he must be sitting back thinking that it was much easier to get away with this rubbishe than even he initially imagined.

I didn't loose a zac, but I'll be dammed if I like someone thinking they can get one past me without paying some penality......

even if the local papers arent big readers, just input as much about eBay turning a blind eye and that should certainly gain more readership AND get eBay to step up to the plate. Personally, I would be more into television reports...I guess get intouch with all venues in his area of IL...

Ok so here is my update. I have emailed stephanie huber on myspace and I know she read my email as it shows the status, but no response (surprise surprise!). so I emailed again. I also email Jimmy twice at his Link hidden: Login to view email, NOTHING!! sent messages through eBay to Jimmy once, NOTHING! But I did see he has received 7 negative feedbacks in the last month, so I started to send messages to those people so that they are aware that they need to rush to get their money back, unfortunetly, I maxed out my limit of eBay contacting for the day so I have three more tomorrow and any more that might come along. Just for you all to know, his negs are from lack of communication (GASP), non shippment, late shippment, bad items, but mostly I was seeing bad communication. So he is basically doing the same thing on eBay as to us. I sent my email with the messages I sent out to the other eBayers, so hopefully they respond. Anyways, thats all I got for you!! good weekend to you all ;-)

Here is an update. I have received a message back from one eBayer who is willing to help do anything needed. She asked for direction in getting him shut down on eBay. AND with all his negs lately, eBay may now actually do it!!! Between us and those people we might get somewhere now. I was informed that she has gone to her bank for a refund and that she found that he and ppwdg are on a fraud list (not sure if its from her bank or somewhere else, I asked so I will know soon enough). I need to check ebay to see if he has any new negs. I need to check my email and myspace. thats all I got for you. things are looking good with my idea to contact other ebayers!!

Good to hear that some other ebayers are also getting on board, unfortunate that they have also been stung by him, but at least it's more ammunition.

I'm confident that I exhausted the outsiders route to having him shut down on ebay, they just show no interest at all and give you nothing but the party line.

It took me three weeks of waiting to get my response, and that was only after I tried live support 4 TIMES, each time being told that they would put a priority listing on it, which according to them means that the message is responded to within 24 hours.

It's the biggest load of garbage, they wouldn't let me speak to a supervisor, they wouldn't give me a phone number....indicating that they did not accept complaints by phone, only email!

We need an actual item number to report, it's the only way to get any sort of headway with these guys.

This member, I'm assuming that she didn't in fact receive her order at all?

If so, have they filed a dispute with ebay as yet?

Interesting to hear that ppwdg turned up on some fraud list, would be nice to learn more about what is going on there, but it sounds promising that some legal action may well be in process.

I'll PM you my direct email, feel free to pass that on to anyone else from ebay that responds and I'll put their information together with what I already have to keep the file complete.

Nice work!

Anyone interested in seeing how jimmy is performing on ebay at the moment can check this link out.

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A true asset to eBay.

lol about the jimmy fan club. I was coming on to tell you all that there are three more negs on his feedback, but thanks to fudjj, you can all see for yourself. Sorry I didnt get ahold of you today fudjj...but I will compile what I have asap.

You would of thought he may of wanted to keep a few people happy enlight of everything.

His eBay Feedback page looks like myself and Fudjj's account after he has had a week on the booze :)

cant say you didnt warn them! here's a letter I just had to write them on feedback abuse, thought you would enjoy!

According to your own policy: 'Negative statements left for a buyer that conflict with the positive rating' it does. I do not know why I have to fight tooth and nail with you on issues like this. So far, I have been treated like a thief, a criminal and a con man by you on seller issues. Meanwhile, I have maintained complete customer satisfaction. I have had issues with blatant feedback extortion and you did nothing, i have had auctions removed and cancelled only to later be reinstated by the rights owner or proved on my own I was not in violation. I have no problem in the belief had I pressed the other matters like the half that I have won, I could have won those too. Your system seems to be set up for the least amount of hassle on your end and I suppose that is fair, as it is your system. But as an integral part of this system (a seller performing to make your system money) you could be a little more accomodating than form letters. Perhaps this is why there is a delay and your log system is backed up? Thank you for your time in reviewing this matter once more. If you still feel you reach the original conclusion, you may want to alter your examples of feedback abuse so they do not confuse others like myself.

and just a 'week' on the booze?? lightweights!!

lol, a week...that's actually giving me far too much credit : )

I think Jimmy have multiple accounts on eBay and that Username is just one of them. Hopefully, all of these actions will trigger a buzz on eBay so all of Jimmy's account will be closed.

I have heard that he has a few id's, but I know this one was his flagship PowerSeller id, this used to be the one he really valued as borne out by the fact of changing his id recently to try and escape the drama.

In the case that he does have other accounts, if ebay does in fact ever choose to act then they would act on all of his accounts.

It's quite bizarre, this was his bread and butter and I suspected that he would try to look after it as much as possible, hence the reason I was trying to attack it.

Looking at that recent feedback it almost seems that he has just given up completely, it's almost like he is burning his final bridge behind him.

Ironic, I've spend almost 4 weeks going round in circles with ebay regarding this matter only to hit a dead end. Now here is jimmy doing a better job destroying his own account on his own that I could have even hoped for.

This just gets more bizarre by the minute!

Perhaps the legal wheels have started to turn and he now knows that the game is over, final siren has gone and he has just given up altogether.

maybe when ebay finally does something about it (as i sit with the booze, hope the typing doesnt suffer) they will shut everything down remotely involved with him... i ran into a snafu with ebay back in febuary that shut my wifes account down (and still is) that had not been active in 2 years, because they were linked to this computer! different emails, different paypals, different names!

Its only now that I read this letter and its a big shock to me to know about what had happened. Im just curious to know who really is Jimmy Huber in regards to salehoo.

Its only now that I read this letter and its a big shock to me to know about what had happened. Im just curious to know who really is Jimmy Huber in regards to salehoo.

Jimmy used to hold the position of Community Manager, essentially over seeing the forum and assisting where possible with member's inquiries.

He decided to establish his own business, independent of Salehoo, but marketed his business to our members. As it turns out our members, along with others, did not receive orders that they paid for and Jimmy was removed from his position of Community Manager.

Legal action against Jimmy is now pending.

Thanks fudjj for this information it is important to me as Im promoting salehoo.

No problems at all.

As you can see from my id, I've taken over the roll of Community Manager now so feel free to PM me with any concerns or inquires you have in future, but you can rest assured that Jimmy has no ongoing connection to SaleHoo whatsoever.

I too think its biazrre how he is essentially ruining himself, and perhaps he doesnt understand the legal issues that are brewing right now, but its gonna bite hard. Of those negs, I had about half respond back to me. I figured he would keep his ebay on the up and up and continue selling stuff...and it would have worked, had he not set customers against him. it will certainly be interesting to see how all plays out.

I’ve been checking the forum day after day and there were no updates so I disappeared for a few days and come back to see all this happen. Got Job ‘bubbles_erin ‘, for chasing this guy like crazy. I'm happy to see his eBay account closed. Karma is hitting him hard and don’t say we didn’t warn him.

Just checked up on jimmys feedback link from above (it was there yesterday) and it is now an invalid ID name and the info isnt available. did they finally ax him?

Either shut down himself or eBay closed him down.

Hey guys,

I just checked on Jimmy's ID and it is still up take a look again. Link hidden: Login to view

Yes he is still running his business on eBay, but hopefully not for long. As far as working with my local AG office I got a response today. They have sent his business a letter and will tell me how to proceed if that does not work. Here is a copy of the letter sent (it is eddited to gaurd my personal info and other specifics):

Rob McKenna ATTORNEY GENERAL OF WASHINGTON Consumer Protection Division 103 East Holly Street, Suite 308 - Bellingham, WA 98225-4310 - (360) 738-6187 7/22/2009 Erin G******* (Home address here) RE: Products Plus Wholesale Distribution File #: 345003 Dear Erin Marie Guerrero: Your complaint submitted to our office regarding Products Plus Wholesale Distribution has been assigned to me. I have contacted the business and requested a response to your complaint within 21 business days. A copy of your complaint was provided to the Business. I will contact you and inform you of the response. Normal complaint processing time is approximately 6-8 weeks due to the complexity and number of complaints our office receives, however, processing time may be longer during times when the volume of incoming complaints increases. Your patience is very much appreciated. Our office obtains valuable information from individual consumer complaints. We maintain complaint files of business practices that may be useful if enforcement action is warranted in the future. If we are not able to resolve your complaint or if the business does not respond, I will inform you of the alternatives. If you need to contact me, please have your complaint number ****** available for reference. Thank you for contacting our office and I will contact you when more information is available. Sincerely, IRIS MAUTE-GIBSON Complaint Analyst Consumer Protection Division (360) 738-6187

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So this is another of his accounts, I wasn't aware of this one.

Good new Bubbles, I've heard that as many as 15 people are seeking action against him, but that is the very first confirmation that I've seen. Going to be a long process, but we can just hope for the right outcome now.

So more good news (I think). Went and checked out his things for sale on eBay and there is NOTHING!! meaning ebay may have shut him down!!!! He also had two more negs. Thats all I got for now. Keep ya all posted.

Yes, some interesting news starting to unfold regarding ebay.

After being treated like a mushroom by ebay in the US for 4 weeks, then lead up a dead end, I decided to approach ebay Australia and see if I could find a side door.

As it so happens I managed to find quite a helpful consultant who was very interested in hearing about jimmy's exploits. He was brought up to speed a couple of days ago now, and while I have no official conformation of any decision, I know he was taking it very seriously and with any luck the account as been restricted pending their full investigation.

YAY, feels like a lifetime, but success is just a breath away at long last it would seem.

: )

That sounds promising. I did email eBay also, but the email I recieved back said not to expect a update on this. But it seems you have good news about it anyways...good job fudjj

Yeah, getting through to ebay is like trying to break through a brick wall with a plastic spoon, but we're in now and it looks like the ball is rolling in our direction at long last.

Thanks for your efforts bubbles, very much appreciated!

Yea, I know you struggled getting through to them, but I figured since now we have actually buyers being scammed, they might do something. Hopefully that is true. I hope that his accounts are not re-opened at a later date and i will check occasionally.

Unfortunately, there are ways to sell on eBay anonymously. It is difficult to do but very doable.
If Jimmy is as dubious as he has shown to be, my guess is he is selling on a completely untraceable account.

I've been off of salehoo for a while because of my bad dealings with Jimmy. I purchased from him in March and, of course, did not receive the merchandise and/or replys to emails. I'm in Indiana and have downloaded the forms to file with my AG.

I'm so glad that I jumped on today and caught up on all of these postings. Thanks to all of you for restoring my faith in salehoo.

I've been off of salehoo for a while because of my bad dealings with Jimmy. I purchased from him in March and, of course, did not receive the merchandise and/or replys to emails. I'm in Indiana and have downloaded the forms to file with my AG.

I'm so glad that I jumped on today and caught up on all of these postings. Thanks to all of you for restoring my faith in salehoo.

You may want to file a small claims case since you are so close to his home.

Well I can't speak about other hidden accounts, but I did receive confirmation from ebay this morning that his Power Seller account has had action taken against it.

He writes that it is policy for him not to disclose the action taken, but assured me it was appropriate and effective to protect other ebay members.

He has also given me an open channel to deal directly with himself regarding any other suspicious ebay activity in the future, jimmy or otherwise, and even went so far to as thank everyone on the forum, and SaleHoo staff for their vigilance.

I would also like to thank those on the forum who also participated in looking for ways to get this wrecking ball swinging. I received plenty of PM's with ideas and I know quite a few got personally involved in trying to bring him undone, even though you had not been personally effected, so thanks you again ......all your help was gratefully appreciated.

Small reward for some I know, but it's the first real sign of any progress at all. So I hope the news of his Power Seller account (the account he has worked so hard over the years to protect) having a judgement found against it that closes all future trading opportunities at least puts a smile on some faces for a while.

Now we wait to start hearing some news regarding the legal actions being taken.

: )

Excellent work and follow-up Fudjj.

I am hoping some of the silence from members is due to direction from authorities to keep quiet until the case is made.

great news fudjj. I missed a few days and it seems a lot of people were here to chat. Oh well. I am happy to hear confirmation on what I thought was going on with his account. I would have loved to see the look on his face to find it closed down. But then again, he probably knew it was coming since he wasnt sending stuff to people and was getting a bunch of negs. Still at least that is some progress as you say.

Awesome fudjj and Bubbles_erin for the progress. Wished someone recorded Jimmy's face when ebay closed his account!!

Muahha

well its been a long time to figure anything out, but here is the letter I recieved from the attorney general office in Illinois. Such a disappointment! they have been 'unable to locate the party about whom you have filed a complaint.' They closed my file. i cannot believe that they had no pull what so ever, when we know exactly how to find them based on the trail they have. we all know stephanie is on myspace. GRRRRR. Looks like they are duck and covering.

Yeah, I have also heard from another customer who filed outside of SaleHoo, same exact story. Couldn't be located, so now we have to wonder if they did pick up sticks and move their rock or the GA's office just couldn't give a damn unfortunately.

Getting him of ebay is such little reward for what so many lost, and the chances are that he will be on there trading under a new id anyway........that really does suck!

Yeah I took a look at Stephanies myspace a while back and from the looks of her comments on there that they did indeed move locations, also it looks like Stephanie is working for someone else now! Guess they had to get real jobs! lol.

So Mark, does that mean ebay will allow Jimmy to list again on ebay? I thought they track IP addresses?

Hi Don, they won't let him list under his own name of course, that's a life time ban now, can't even use ebay to buy something with his old blocked accounts. That said, there is always some way around it, even trade under his brothers accounts or circumvent the rules to establish a new account under a fake id.

At the end of the day it's doable if he really wanted to proceed with his ebay sales, however the amount of ebay customers his was taking for a ride in the end days of his accounts indicated to me that he had lost complete interest, and was just taking what cash he could at the time to get the hell out of Dodge.

We all know Jimmy is a shyster. Though, unless someone can come up with something in the coming weeks, I might suggest we all move on. Let's make 2009 a banner year and make some money. Jimmy's life has become tougher to hoe so we can at least get some satisfaction from that. The reputation he made from here at Salehoo and with us all is destroyed and he is now running from the law and is banned from eBay.

Fudjj did a great job in following up for everyone here and staying on top of the eBay investigation and deserves a hand.

We all know Jimmy is a shyster. Though, unless someone can come up with something in the coming weeks, I might suggest we all move on. Let's make 2009 a banner year and make some money. Jimmy's life has become tougher to hoe so we can at least get some satisfaction from that. The reputation he made from here at Salehoo and with us all is destroyed and he is now running from the law and is banned from eBay.

Fudjj did a great job in following up for everyone here and staying on top of the eBay investigation and deserves a hand.

Cheers planes, and while I'm sure a hand would be useful at times, I'd much rather a pizza : )

Yeah I took a look at Stephanies myspace a while back and from the looks of her comments on there that they did indeed move locations, also it looks like Stephanie is working for someone else now! Guess they had to get real jobs! lol.

So Mark, does that mean ebay will allow Jimmy to list again on ebay? I thought they track IP addresses?

Hey Don. Yes eBay does track IP addresses but with a couple of skilled keystrokes and or a wireless modem can be gotten around pretty easy.
They also use whats called web beacons or super cookies which imbed them selves into ones OS. These can also be gotten around.

WHat makes it tough is Paypal. They require pretty strong identity checks which though still circumventable (If thats a word) is not an easy obstacle.


Jimmy is probably smart enough to get around all of this, but he would probably never be able to do the volume he once did.
Paypal requires a ssn once sales reach 20,000, sometimes sooner.

They both use all kinds of software to track and trace sales. If Jimmy were to start selling the same stuff from the same general location even from a different IP, it would still raise red flags and cause an indentity request.

By the way, Jimmys brother is probably banned too. EBay is known for banning family members from the same accounts.

Cheers planes, and while I'm sure a hand would be useful at times, I'd much rather a pizza : )

Yes, me too. But sometimes a hand from a particularly statuesque person of the female persuasion is just as good. lol

Yes i suppose it is time to move on. I am glad i didnt invest too much (just a mere $60) compared to the thousand some here did invest. and I cannot blame them for investing money in something they thought would pay off, I did later invest thousands in the merchendise that I now have and I am much happier with the supplier I now use. I am actually looking at adding another element to what I sell, so that is exciting. If any of you have any ideas or experience selling lingerie, send me a note. I am looking into it but any advice is appreciated. For now, though, I am selling liquidated goods and just put in my 2nd order. Starting to work through that.

Yes i suppose it is time to move on. I am glad i didnt invest too much (just a mere $60) compared to the thousand some here did invest. and I cannot blame them for investing money in something they thought would pay off, I did later invest thousands in the merchandise that I now have and I am much happier with the supplier I now use. I am actually looking at adding another element to what I sell, so that is exciting. If any of you have any ideas or experience selling lingerie, send me a note. I am looking into it but any advice is appreciated. For now, though, I am selling liquidated goods and just put in my 2nd order. Starting to work through that.

Good for you Bubbles_erin! I'll try to dig up some useful info you can use in your venture to the world of lingerie. '

'Til then, all the best! Cheers :)

well it isnt my first venture if you know what i mean..lol..ok so not the type of thing to talk about here...lol. Yes I would appreciate any info you have. I have found some suppliers and dropshippers from china that i would like to look more into...we'll see...its all about researching things, so that is what stage i am in now. thanks again, look forward to the info you have to share

I thought i would put my 2 cents in here. You asked about how to prove. For 1 week maybe 2, keep a list of items that he is selling together and jot them down. If you have his billing address (which i would think someone does), then call the pd. I work with law enforcement across the country, so if you need any help on that side, just send me an email.

Now about ebay, I used it this week for stuff and im done and about to withdrawl posting. After 100 nigerian scammers, they are questioning my products. I understand that i am a new seller but I would perfer the buyer to question me, then a corporate offices with a call center full of people.
I would file first and foremost with the AG of the State of California as well as the Ethics committee of the State. Their employees are only following procedures that were put in by corporate so that goes all the way to the founder in which we all know is running for office.

I have dealt with so many people across the world and have no issue with pulling the plug on a millionaire that got rich off of defrauding people and that is exactly what she is about.

Again if you need help, please feel free to contact me. I will be the bad guy. ;) Im just tired of seeing good people get jacked while honest wholesaler and distributors like me are questioned constantly.

Hi Melissa, and thanks for your offer to help.

Unfortunately in this case it seems that we have come to the end of the road. We were successful in having his account removed from eBay, however any legal avenue tried by effected members has come to a dead end.

Multiple complaints were filed with effected member's respective GA departments, however as it seems he is uncontactable, they will be taking no further action at all.