sun74.com, superdvd9.com, topd9.com - any dealings?

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15 Jan 07 04:43:30 am
Hi,

I've found a few Asian websites that are selling DVD's for as low as $3-$5. Has anyone had any experiences with these types of sites?

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15 Jan 07 05:01:01 am
Hi

Just been and had alook at the sun74.com site

and i have a question what do they meanwhen they say dts version.

drena

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15 Jan 07 05:15:26 am
I did a search in google for 'DTS Version' The DTS Version seems to be a type of aduio for DVD's. It's is another format for Dolby Digital.

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15 Jan 07 05:20:19 am
cool thanks for that

drena

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15 Jan 07 11:25:44 am
Just another note: These dvd's are bootleg copies of dvd movies. Trust me ive sold thousands of movies on ebay and I know the difference. Yes they are cheap and they are brand new. In most cases you have to purchase cases to put the dvd's in.


Any dvd that has A DTS logo on the front top cover of the movie is a asian bootleg. If you are not buying sealed movies with the security seals on them then you are most likely buying into bootleg movies.


Ebayers are starting to catch on to this trend and most sellers that are trying to sell these movies are getting reported to the MPAA.

If I see you selling these movies, I would turn you into the MPAA.

Bottom line Dont buy into them.

Maximum penalties if convicted is Fine up to $500,000 and 25 years in prison.

Minimum is $10,000 fine and 1 year in jail.


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15 Jan 07 04:09:54 pm
Hi,

Thanks for the info. It seemed too good to be true.

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18 Jan 07 02:01:55 pm
Hey Jimmy, I was going to say everything you did once I heard the DTS logo on the covers... a lot of the releases like this are also for sale just after the movies are released in theatres, also showing how they can't be proper releases.

Just wondering, why would these sites still exist if they're illegal? Should we report them? You know they're illegal, I know they are too. Just wondering why they're still up.

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19 Jan 07 02:17:26 am
DTS are not all made in japan bootlegs there have been quite a few U.S. versions of movies with this on the case .i have been selling dvds for 7 years on EBAY and SAVING PRIVATE RYAN was one of the most sought after versions of a DTS also GALDIATOR was for a while also .You can GOOGLE THIS and confirm it .But of course the japan versions are probaly not the correct ones.

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19 Jan 07 01:29:28 pm
True, even though the DTS logo on official releases has text next to it displayed differently to the bootlegged ones. A site that's selling movies with DTS on all covers though are obviously bootlegs.

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DTS are not all made in japan bootlegs there have been quite a few U.S. versions of movies with this on the case .i have been selling dvds for 7 years on EBAY and SAVING PRIVATE RYAN was one of the most sought after versions of a DTS also GALDIATOR was for a while also .You can GOOGLE THIS and confirm it .But of course the japan versions are probaly not the correct ones.


This is a topic of wide discussion all over the internet. DTS is a common high quality audio format found in literally every dvd on the market. The only thing is the MPAA doesnt Stamp DTS version on the COVER ART. You can find legal dvds that have a small dts logo on the back of the case but never on the front page of the cover art.

And I have seen the Gladiator version of what you speak of. Not a single gladiator movie sold in stores prominantly displayed a DTS logo on the top of the Disk. In fact not a single movie EVER sold in a store has ever displayed a DTS logo on the front page of the cover art.

If you have been selling dvd's on ebay for 7 years then I regret to inform you you dont know as much as you think about bootleg movies. And apparently you have never visited the ebay forums about bootleg movies because this discussion has been going on for many years.

Do a search on ebay for any disney Dvd's , there are literally hundreds of these bootleg movies sold on ebay. And are also a ver big topic of discussion in the ebay forums.

Here is just a few of the 72,000 topics discussed on the ebay forums on this subject.

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THE MPAA STRICLTY ENFORCES That Thier Movies Be Sealed In Cases. Even that Manufactures that Make movies for Other Regions Have to seal thier Cases.
Manufacturers are Forced By the movie industry to sell thier Movies to retailers at a set price based on the initial date of release.And the content in the DVD be it fullscreen, Widescreen,Special Edition and so fourth. The retailers themselves can sell them at whatever price they want. The only problem is that places like SamsClub loose 44 million A year on newer Release Dvd Sales. And thier average Price on Newer Dvd's are $13.99 on average throughout thier stores. They take this loss every year because its basically written off as a advertising ploy to get the shopper into thier store to buy other items. You know you can never escape wal-mart or sams without spending more money then you originaly intended to.

ALL and I mean ALL movies Are Region Encoded And Sealed With a Security Seal On all 3 Sides Of the Case. Anyone trying to sell you a Dvd Newer Release Without the Case with some lame excuse on saving you shipping charges is full of crap. If you take the train of thought on real shipping charges for 1 case is about $8.00-$14.00 and that case has 30 movies in it most of the time.

You see listing all over Ebay stating these things.

DVD9 (Dual Layer) See this listed anywhere on your dvd movie or Case?

'The most significant advantage of DVD9 is its cheaper price and All Region coding which means it can be played in all countries multi- system (NTSC, PAL) DVD players.'
Now remember what I said about Region Encoding.
SUPER DTS DVD5 (Single Layer)

These are not advertised by any legal manufacturer and are

are Well Known To be The Major Load of bootlegs selling On Ebay If you see a listing that has SUPER DTS on the top of the case then it is a bootleg plain and simple. Way too many powersellers are on ebay right now selling this junk. And most of them have no clue at all that they are selling bootlegs.
And they are all listed As SuperDts On the CoverArt and the back of the Dvd insert Shipped By these sellers.
Look anywhere on the Net These are listed Heavily as BOOTLEGS
So heres the list of things to be carefull of.
1..Region 1 movies do not have asian Symbols or writing on the disks they were designed for the US and CANADA there is no reason for them to have asian markings on them.
2..Dvd Movies are required to have a Case if they are being sold as NEW. They are not saving you money by shipping without cases they are just saving themselves extra work selling just copied disks to you.
3..Dvd Movies that Have DTS ANYWHERE ON THE FRONT OF THE CASE ARE BOOTLEGS
4..DVD9 MOVIES ARE BOOTLEGS {The MPAA does not advertise DTS or DVD9 On any movie PERIOD}
5..REGION 0 MOVIES ARE MOSTLY BOOTLEGS.. All movies are required to be region encoded. There are very few movies that were legally made
6..Sellers dont ship with case inserts and no cases to save you shipping,, They are saving themselves money,by not purchasing cases for thier bootleg movies.
7..Even Powersellers are selling Bootleg movies.
Now remember folks. Not all sellers out there are bad. Ive purchased lots of movies from many sellers on ebay and almost all of them have sold legal movies. Theres a few out there I have actually told that were selling bootlegs and they stopped it immediately after seeing proof.


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20 Jan 07 12:32:59 am
Well thanks for the info but i am pretty sure the PRIVATE RYAN released by DREAMWORKS had the DTS at the top if not i stand corrected or maybe COLOMBIA HOUSE or one of the dvd clubs produced it this way ...Never said i was an expert on BOOTLEGS although you provided me with no new information just said that DTS DVDS are sold in the u.s. and will have that copyright somewhere on the dvd ..As far as EBAY FORUMS go dont always beleive everything you read as many of the posters advised me not to join this site .Good luck and GOD BLESS !

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20 Jan 07 07:56:19 am
One of the most common things you will notice when you sign up with ebay or yahoo auctions is that they do not take responsibility for anything listed on thier sites. If its illegal its not thier fault you listed it. These site are unfortunately the leading cause of Bootlegs and piracy problems online.

This is why the MPAA Or Motion Picture Association Of America formed and created the (TAP) initiative . This groups sole purpose is to take down auction house sellers that are selling bootleg movies. Some of the biggest bootleggers they took down on ebay were powersellers with huge feedback ratings. Today currently if you report a seller for selling movies with DTS on the Cover art Ebay will ban thier account for a week to a year within 48 hours of the complaint and they will pass the report to the MPAA.. The MPAA has been an ebay member and part of the ebays buddy program for over 8 years.


I once came across a site not too long ago claiming I could purchase newer release movies and classic disney flicks for $4 each. Brand new movies. All I had to do was purchase cases for them and use the supplied artwork. The supplied artwork had DTS labels on the top of the cover. They claimed they were authentic movies and were not bootleg or illegal blah blah blah.

So I almost bought into this. But I was suspicious about the reason I had to buy cases to sell movies that are originally manufacturered and inserted into cases by big machines and sealed by the very same machines.

I went to the MPAA's website and contacted thier anti piracy hotline.Took me less then 24 hours to get a reply. I asked them several questions about bootlegs including the DTS marking on the top cover. In thier descriptive answer. One of the lines stated clearly that to date there is no reason for any MPAA authorized manufacturer to label a disk with those markings on the top of the artwork sleeve. If the film was produced using DTS audio then there would be a small area on the back side on the bottom of the artwork for that logo.

That small area they are talking about is where they put the:

- Close captioning symbol
- Associated production companies logos
- Region encoding Symbol
- Movie rating Symbol

Im sorry if I offended you by shooting down your comment so fast but I am here to protect the members of salehoo from jumping into something that can get them into trouble with the law. Everyone has thier opinions about us and how our lists can help them , but most can say that as visitors of this forum, we will go out on a limb to make sure you dont make a mistake that can cost you if we know a better way.



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20 Jan 07 10:14:33 am
One of the Saving Private Ryan DVD's on DVDEmpire.com does have a DTS logo on it. I doubt DVD Empire would have been selling bootlegs...?

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Amazon seemed to be selling it at some point too...

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20 Jan 07 04:20:34 pm
Brad sickness , That was the point i was trying to make i would swear the PRIVATE RYAN issue has it on the top i have had 4 copys of this dvd over the years and all have had it and the last one had a department store sticker on it maybe that was put on there for show -the only reason why i stressed the point was that i could not believe the prices i was getting for them usually around $20 which was alot for that movie and i remember describing the box to one buyer who had very high feedback -that is one thing about ebay other collectors will teach you alot and i am always checking the OOP stuff - i got my first taste of that years back when i started buying KISS MEETS THE PHANTOM OF THE PARK VHS for 9.99 at walmart and other places and selling them for $30-50 ............................I just thought maybe DREAMWORKS did a rare release of this dvd according to a GOOGLE search i did and if they did maybe other studios did as well ......JIMMY , what do you think about the dvds with the MADE IN MEXICO PRINT ?

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20 Jan 07 04:41:10 pm
The made in mexico ones aren't fakes. I get free copies of them from Universal Studios/Rogue Pictures myself for advertising their movies on my website.

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20 Jan 07 08:37:32 pm
Ok lets clarify something for you
This is a search from the site you mentioned.

I searched the word dts and came up with over 100 movies with the dts logo on the top of the case artwork.

All of these are bootlegs. If you had a department store sticker placed on a copy of a movie that had a dts logo it was probably put there to make it look legit.

Now goto Link hidden: Login to view or walmart.com and do a search for dts.

When dvd movie listings come up stating dts you should notice that none of those movies that are in dts audio format have dts on the front top portion of the artwork. This is because they are a originally manufactured product..

Look at this link of all the dts format movies best buy has in stock.

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You will not see a single movie with a DTS logo banner on the top of the artwork on any dvd in thier list.

These are huge retail chains that buy direct from the manufacturers. You will never see a DTS logo on top of a legitimate copy of any movie. Period.

But as a Side note for you. I sell music cds occasionally and I have seen dts symbols on the music cd artwork. But you wont find them on a legitimate movie release.

Hope this clarifies things for you.


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20 Jan 07 09:46:04 pm
THE MADE IN MEXICO DVDS , they sell them at local department stores but when they first started and i was selling them people were saying they were fakes .

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20 Jan 07 11:42:49 pm
Jimmy no one is disputing what you are saying THAT IS GREAT INFORMATION , we were talking about one movie SAVING PRIVATE RYAN if you say it was fake than ok but if you could provide a link of a copy of SAVING PRIVATE RYAN without the dts at the top i would appreciate it . I have combed thru EBAYS COMPLETED LISTINGS and they have been selling for $20 plus While BEST BUY has it for 9.99 this is why i thought maybe it was a rare copy kinda like an error on a baseball card - i contacted ebay seller WERDVDS who has a feedback of 40,942 as he has a copy of it for sale to ask where the symbol is theirs ....When i first joined ebay i got burned about 7 years ago on all region bootleg dvds and had to learn the hard way so now when i buy in bulk i always confirm u.s copy region 1 with security seals(even though i have got dvds from department stores without the security seals as well as colombia house they often do not have as well ...I just hate the fact i may have sold these if they were not legit .thanks for your help .

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21 Jan 07 02:35:35 am
Jimmy, we know you're right about DTS releases but don't you think that maybe just a few legit releases slipped through with a DTS logo at the top? Refer to my post on page 1 of this topic which has links to Amazon.com and DVDEmpire both who have sold the Saving Private Ryan release with the DTS logo at the top of the front cover. You can also check out the back of the cover art on DVD Empire, looks like a very legitimate release as I doubt Amazon and DVD Empire deal with pirates.

Though that Gladiator release being mentioned, doesn't seem to be legit.


THE MADE IN MEXICO DVDS , they sell them at local department stores but when they first started and i was selling them people were saying they were fakes .


They're not fakes. Some of the region 1 titles are manufactured there.

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21 Jan 07 03:41:07 am
Brad , sorry i didnt complete my comment on the MADE IN MEXICO dvds - many people are saying the quality is not as good - i dont know if they mean the quality of the movie or the packaging - i have never been ble to get a good answer to this ....I sold a few copys of THE GODFATHER and buyers said they were fake i than told them to google it and they will see that many DVDS are being made in MEXICO to save and is part of the outsourcing .

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21 Jan 07 05:00:13 am
The made in mexico dvds most will consider to be fake but they are in fact B movies. The copyright has expired on them so literally anyone can manufacture them legally.

As far as the Saving private ryan dvd I will look into it.Now you got me wondering if it is possible. I will Do some research on the production of that DTS version. It has been 2 years since I contacted the MPAA about the DTS logos on the artwork and the response they gave was an absolute no to all manufacturered releases. But things could have changed. Ill get back to you on my findings.


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21 Jan 07 07:33:03 am
Brad , sorry i didnt complete my comment on the MADE IN MEXICO dvds - many people are saying the quality is not as good - i dont know if they mean the quality of the movie or the packaging - i have never been ble to get a good answer to this ....I sold a few copys of THE GODFATHER and buyers said they were fake i than told them to google it and they will see that many DVDS are being made in MEXICO to save and is part of the outsourcing .


I work on advertising for the Rogue Pictures division of Universal Studios. They have sent me many free DVD's for helping to advertise their movies. Such DVD's include...

Shaun of the Dead
Seed of Chucky
Fearless (Jet Li)
Unleashed
Cry_Wolf

...and so forth. I have even watched these movies and they are superb, 100% legitimate releases. All of them had bucket loads of extra features. I was also sometimes sent press release info including screener DVD's and early discs that contained all of the extra features months before the final product was released.

I doubt that if bootleggers wanted to make a product look genuine, they wouldn't be plastering 'made in mexico' on the seal or anywhere else.

A lot of them have a little 'made in mexico' somewhere on them (usually on the plastic seal) but they are in fact, factory sealed with the proper factory stickers on them like every other DVD I buy from Amazon, DVD Empire etc.

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21 Jan 07 10:12:22 am
Hey Jimmy, I was going to say everything you did once I heard the DTS logo on the covers... a lot of the releases like this are also for sale just after the movies are released in theatres, also showing how they can't be proper releases.

Just wondering, why would these sites still exist if they're illegal? Should we report them? You know they're illegal, I know they are too. Just wondering why they're still up.


hey just to answer this question. I have personally known of the bottom 2 sites on the original posters list for several years.

They have been shut down several times but are reregistered shortly after they have been closed. Once A sites url comes back up for resale the same outfit is re-establishing thier ownership to the domain using probably some fake identity. If they are located out of the jurisdiction of the MPAA in a country that has no laws to work with our own laws. then the only thing the MPAA can do is shut them down temporarily.

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The justice department , Microsoft and many other big companies have been trying to take these guys down for years but the country that the owner is located has no extrication laws and will not prosecute the individual because they have no laws against copyright infringment. The only way they could stop these guys is to push the country they live in to write new laws. Send threats and maybe send over a hitman :D


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21 Jan 07 10:39:48 am
Wow, I never knew the crooks over there had it so good. :shock:

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5 Feb 07 01:11:37 am
Jimmy no one is disputing what you are saying THAT IS GREAT INFORMATION , we were talking about one movie SAVING PRIVATE RYAN if you say it was fake than ok but if you could provide a link of a copy of SAVING PRIVATE RYAN without the dts at the top i would appreciate it . I have combed thru EBAYS COMPLETED LISTINGS and they have been selling for $20 plus While BEST BUY has it for 9.99 this is why i thought maybe it was a rare copy kinda like an error on a baseball card - i contacted ebay seller WERDVDS who has a feedback of 40,942 as he has a copy of it for sale to ask where the symbol is theirs ....When i first joined ebay i got burned about 7 years ago on all region bootleg dvds and had to learn the hard way so now when i buy in bulk i always confirm u.s copy region 1 with security seals(even though i have got dvds from department stores without the security seals as well as colombia house they often do not have as well ...I just hate the fact i may have sold these if they were not legit .thanks for your help .

This is another example of a previos post I made stating that the majority of sellers dont even know that they are selling bootleg copies of these films.

I stopped into Circuit city the other day and looked for the private ryan. I found 3 different version of the film there and not 1 of them had a DTS logo on it. The store In my town has a massive amount of movies. I looked at every title in all 6 rows of dvd movies and did not see a single movie old or new that had a DTS logo on it.
Heres the examples you asked for:
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Bootleg version of exact same flick.
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Bootleggers will do anything to convince you that these kind of movies are legit. And they are a special release. The only thing special about them is that they are fake. They will get you to think its some kind of special release and some other bogus crap that seems legitimate. But dont fall for it. The sad thing is some of the biggest internet retailers are spreading this stuff like a wildfire.

Another note for you is that columbia house movies are manufacturerd only for them. They have arrangements with the studios to sell these movies. That is why thier movies have not for resale stickers and logos on them. Some of them say promo disk.

To further strengthen this case.
DTS is an audio format. There is no reason to advertize it in big words on a DVD movie.
Goto this site. They are the legitimate creators of DTS technology.
Goto thier DTS webstore. And you will find absolutely
NO DTS MOVIES.

Only DTS music as I have said before.
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5 Feb 07 05:19:57 pm
Jimmy- i forgot all about this - , you are not gonna find any in the local retail store according to the seller i contacted on EBAY there were less than 50,000 of these produced not sure if it was an error or not but this may explain like i said before why they demand a price of usually $20-$50 on ebay -he said you can contact DREAMWORKS and confirm it

As of right now Im awaiting a reply from dreamworks studios.

This seller is most definately lying about the total because I have probably seen 2,000 of these come in lots I have purchased. If they are that rare then I would not come across them so often. Id say there were several million copies floating around just in the US alone.

As I said in the previous post is that most will make any excuse to prove to you thier selling legitimate products especially if they are making good money on them.

I have sent emails to dreamworks and paramount studios on this matter. Just to be absolutely sure. Hopefully they reply with A specific answer.

BTW: I actually forgot about this post till I saw another poster added a comment :D

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10 Feb 07 08:41:22 am
Seems a bit weird how Amazon.com, DVDEmpire and other big name sites have been selling that DTS Saving Private Ryan DVD. I wouldn't have thought they'd be sourcing their DVD's from bootleggers...

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21 Feb 07 08:18:43 am
Please do not buy these movies. I live in South East Asia and DVD9 movies are often referred as 'pirated copies'. They are usually sold in plastic jackets.

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21 Feb 07 10:19:15 am
You may like to try Link hidden: Login to view. They are from Hong Kong and deals with genuine DVDs. Price is reasonable as most are region 3 DVDs.

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20 Mar 07 11:21:42 pm
So where do I get the real thing?

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22 Mar 07 12:02:49 pm
Hi guys, Does any of you knoe where can I buy Region 4 PAL DVD's? I'm from australia and I had difficulties looking for a supplier. I really appreciate if any can help me..Cheers.

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21 Apr 08 02:47:16 pm
I have found a web site that is still selling Bootleged dvds everyone should go and check it out! its familydvdwholesale.com. They are selling Disney DVDs for $6.99 and just released dvds for $6.99 I ordered and was taken for a little ride. But the question is, I reported this seller to the B.B.B, The wesite host, U.S.P.S, & the F.B.I and yet he is still selling (Bootleged) dvds. My 5 year old daughter could copy a movie better than this guy could. Thats how bad they are! STAY AWAY from familydvdwholesale.com

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AY from familydvdwholesale.com


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His sight is sitting on prostores. Report him to prostores and I bet the site will be shut down.


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